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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32940 on: February 25, 2025, 07:33:12 am »

I enjoyed the F. C. Yee Avatar books, I definitely recommend for a more mature treatment of the setting. There are two on Kyoshi and two on Yangchen (I haven't read the last one yet). Appropriately enough, the solutions of one Avatar create the conditions for the problems of the next Avatar, and each of them have their own strengths and weaknesses both with their bending and how they relate to others.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32941 on: February 25, 2025, 01:01:50 pm »

Korra did get into some mature relationship stuff, although it had to be hidden because of the network. If you read between the lines a bit you realize that Korra had a very awkward sexual experience with her first boyfriend, resulting in them breaking up and Korra subsequently finding a girl to start fooling around with.
I think there's reading between the lines and there's "we forgot to write." This was defo the latter. Bryan even said it wasn't planned. They spend the first two seasons outright antagonistic fighting over the same guy to the point where I'd be more likely to believe Aang and Zuko were secretly roommates than Korra Asami lol. I also don't buy network restrictions, as network restrictions may make it risky to make any overt affection risky, but in much the same way that avatar already showed you you could have killing be a core central aspect in avatar without falling afoul of any restrictions on showing overt killing, and you can already show two characters in relationships with metaphor or symbolism without making them get naked for the audience, you could at least have the two have real chemistry. We got Suki kissing a blushing Toph but couldn't get any Korrasami moments? Ending kiss felt more like fan service than a logical end point XD

I enjoyed the F. C. Yee Avatar books, I definitely recommend for a more mature treatment of the setting. There are two on Kyoshi and two on Yangchen (I haven't read the last one yet). Appropriately enough, the solutions of one Avatar create the conditions for the problems of the next Avatar, and each of them have their own strengths and weaknesses both with their bending and how they relate to others.
I could never fault the original Aang for being immature; if anything it was one of the most mature kids shows to have come out in history. Overt genocide, imperialism, gender discrimination, industrialisation, concentration camps, government secret police, brainwashing black sites, the philosophy of killing, dealing with the shame of past, kids lost in the world, the way they treated the antagonists Zhao/Jet/Zuko/Azula was so respectful to their pains and flaws. How many kids shows made you feel sad when the villains were crying and screaming defeated on the floor? But the moment that really sticks out to me is Zuko alone and Kitara confronting her mother's killer. In Zuko alone, Zuko does everything "right." He helps everyone who needs help, he puts his life on the line fighting for them. In the end he cannot escape being who he is, and the only choices he has are to die and submit to the world, or exist and be himself. He wins the fight, saves the town, but everyone forsakes him for who he is, not what he has done. He is punished for existing, and for doing the right thing. That was such a cool moment to watch as a kid, gave so much to think about.
Or when Kitara confronts her mother's killer. She is straight up using blood bending, about to turn the man into swiss cheese with ice spikes. She is furious, livid, and in the end decides not to kill him, saying he's just an empty nothingness. Aang tries to console her on the moral correctness of her giving up on revenge and taking the first step to forgiveness, to which Kitara replies she hasn't forgiven her mother's killer. She wonders if not seeking revenge made her weak, or made her strong. Aang reiterates violence is never the answer, to which Zuko just asks him is he ready to kill his father.
It's all questions! Question after question, with no clear answer. What is right, what is wrong. Who is good, what is good. Aang was like this throughout. Yin and yang, within yin there is yang, within yang there is yin. Every nation, every element had its evils and joys.

Korra meanwhile has clear right and wrong, Vaatu bad, Raava good. All of the moral problems are resolved without addressing their root issue, with the whole problem resolved usually due to a successful violent struggle. Equalists are nullified through violence and the hypocrisy of the leader. The clash between Lin Beifong's duty vs Suyin Beifong freedom is resolved when Suyin beats Lin in a fight. Unalaq spiritualism vs the avatar & the republic's materialism is resolved because Unalaq is allied with the bad spirits, Korra's fighting for the good spirits. The underlying issues that led to Zaheer's anarchism or Kuivra's authoritarianism again aren't really addressed. It's just to the victor the spoils. The stuff with the Earth King at the end being put back into power only to willingly abolish the Earth Kingdom in an offhand comment was like woah. Dude abolishing the Earth Kingdom could be its own four season show.

And then there was this rat's fart jokes. I felt like we went backwards with Korra in a lot of ways

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I feel the need to just add at the end, I actually did like Korra lol. Don't want to sound like a hater

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WHAT DID YOU DO KORRA?
« Last Edit: February 26, 2025, 10:04:46 am by Loud Whispers »
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32942 on: February 26, 2025, 07:09:04 pm »

To be fair the odds are that Korra saved the world and everyone just remembers her as destroying it instead.

Bit like Kyoshi being remembered as killing that Earth kingdom warlord guy when in reality he was a conqueror and she saved a peninsula from him, and he coincidentally fell to his death.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32943 on: February 26, 2025, 08:01:26 pm »

To be fair the odds are that Korra saved the world and everyone just remembers her as destroying it instead.

Bit like Kyoshi being remembered as killing that Earth kingdom warlord guy when in reality he was a conqueror and she saved a peninsula from him, and he coincidentally fell to his death.

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Aang: Avatar Kyoshi. I need your wisdom.

Kyoshi: In my day, Chin the Conqueror threatened to throw the world out of balance. I stopped him. And the world entered a great era of peace.

Aang: You didn't really kill Chin. Technically, he fell to his own doom because he was too stubborn to get out of the way.

Kyoshi: Personally, I don't really see the difference, but I assure you, I would have done whatever it took to stop Chin. I offer you this wisdom, Aang. Only justice will bring peace.

[Kyoshi vanishes]

Aang: I knew I shouldn't have asked Kyoshi.
Kyoshi, explaining why she is the best avatar. Just looking at what's in the show and not any extra canon, I always got the vibe that the Chin village were very unreliable narrators when it came to the whole legacy of Kyoshi vs Chin. Their whole village's identity is just fanboying for their favourite warlord. But judging by the fact that Kyoshi island remained on good terms with the Earth Kingdom even after Kyoshi's death and Kyoshi continued to be revered even after the tenure of avatar Roku & Aang, I can buy that there's pockets of Zaheer larpers or weird Kuivra revisionists who make alt-history timelines 100 years after Korra began avataring. But for the entire world? Something's gone very wrong :'(

Also side note I hope they bring back the avatar link to the previous avatars. Losing out on the chance for previous avatar cameos is not as fun

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I just remembered the ep when the gaang go to fire nation school. I remember they had a whole scene devoted to teaching Ozai approved history of the world. So it's possible after Korra died some new world order rewrote the history

and then

everything changed

when the avatar attacked
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32944 on: February 28, 2025, 07:18:36 am »

I could never fault the original Aang for being immature
I agree! The books are pitched at a young adult level with overt violence, but in theme they're in keeping with the series as a whole for tackling big themes and a commitment to political world building.

I think I agree overall with your summary of Korra. Despite some missteps, I also liked the show too, and I liked the idea to have her face off against competing ideological factions instead of one massive enemy. I thought Korra coming to Zaheer in the final season and him helping her overcome her spiritual block was a great moment— the Red Lotus were definitely the most interesting of her opponents because they genuinely had a point.
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