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[Neonivek]

Too many repetitive "accidental pervert" jokes (with obligatory beatings) and unnecessary fanservice

I am starting to wonder if even the Japanese find this funny anymore, I know how perverted they can be mind you.

Its extreme prevelence makes me thing it is one of those non-jokes shows include to pad things out.

-Edit addition: Nevermind I've come to the conclusion that it is included to be "Non-guilty fanservice" for the Japanese. I am such a horrible person but then again I know nothing about Japanese culture.

[Reelya]

So the difference between a happy face and a BIG Frowny Face is two points?

In MAL terms 6/10 is exceptionally bad score, going below that is quite an achievement.

I do try and spread my scores out, rather than judge based on MAL average user scores. If you score everything from 5-10 then you're only using half the dynamic range, and having half the possible impact of your vote on the relative rankings between shows.

5/10 is meant to be "average". It really says something about scorers that 95% of shows are above this line. How can almost every show be above average? What the site desperately needs is a normalized score as well as the raw score.

[Neonivek]

5/10 is meant to be "average".

It is meant to but it rarely does.

More then often people use the scale of 1-10 to refer to reaction and not "average"

5 being completely meh. I say "meant to" because even when it is clear that a 5/10 is supposed to be "bad" they will still claim it is the sign of average.

[FuzzyZergling]

When I score something, I do it like I'm grading it as a piece is schoolwork. 1-4/10 is "complete failure", with 5/10 being just bearly scraping by and 6-7/10 as "average".

[JoshuaFH]

Meh, numerical score are kinda arbitrary anyhow.

[Neonivek]

Meh, numerical score are kinda arbitrary anyhow.

No, it is exactly arbitrary. It is creating an arbitrary unit of measurement for something that cannot truely be measured.

A quantitative system for a qualitative reality.

[JoshuaFH]

Meh, numerical score are kinda arbitrary anyhow.

No, it is exactly arbitrary. It is creating an arbitrary unit of measurement for something that cannot truely be measured.

A quantitative system for a qualitative reality.

A faux objectivity to a subjective phenomenon?

[Darvi]

If I rated something seriously, it'd be on a scale from 0 to 3. But usually I just pull a number out of my pocket.

[Leafsnail]

Unless you're Neonivek or ToonyMan you probably wouldn't play/watch things that you regard as bad enough to give below a 5.

[ToonyMan]

I'm fairly generous at this point.  It's hard to be picky when you do everything.

[Neonivek]

and I have very high tollerance for terrible things and mostly find entertainment by taking something entirely seriously whether or not it warrents it.

It is why I created the "Spectrum of Gimic Saturation in universe" with Live-On and Master Cooking boy representing the two spectrums

Live-On: where the shows gimic should be practically earth shattering to the point where the entire society should be formed around it... and yet everyone simply ignores it.

Master Cooking Boy: The opposite where something that seems almost completely unimportant even within that universe is somehow pushed into being the absolute most important aspect to the point where the gimic takes over everything.

Live-On being a show where monsters exist, people can make their own monsters, and people control monsters and store them in cards (and people can transform into monsters). Yet the only thing they are used for is Card Fights (MUCH later on they add "zoos" but by then it is too late).

Master Cooking Boy being a show where cooking is absolutely important in everyway. Where knowing how to cook very well means you can control the WORLD! even though there is no real reason in universe why this is the case. It is a show where cooking isn't all that important but is treated as if it was absolutely important... and not even in the way most sports animes do it.

By the way, I love Master Cooking Boy... Live-On wasn't very good, but it is one of the easier to understand games by watching the show I seen. I almost feel like I could make a deck watching it.

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I also have a tendency to absolutely HAVE to see the ending of anything I watch even after I have found it extremely boring or terrible.

The worst was Peach Girl which I found the starting of to be almost genius in how it COMPLETELY ignored every single steriotype as well as giving me a villain who actually did the "social backstabbing" very well... but this anime quickly devolved into boring, dull, and in many ways a bit silly with the villain being demoted to stupid.

The ONLY anime though that ever got me to stop watching was Panty and Stocking, because it REALLY wasn't a show I wanted to watch, but truthfully the only one I hated enough to stop watching was Familiar Zero because the child abuse REALLY stopped being funny when she started beating a child almost to death and the show expecting you to find it funny. It is the only time I also felt the romance between the two main characters to be HORRIFIC!

You ever seen those movies where a woman is abused by her husband but won't leave and it is seen as a horrible thing and wants you to scream "Get away from him, he is terrible for you!"?

Familiar Zero is EXACTLY that plot except not only is it played for laughs, but you are expected to cheer for the romance. I would have taken every single solitary bad thing I ever said about Familiar Zero if the male protagonist DID in fact go "I love you, but you are a horrible abusive woman and I am leaving you because I am worth it".

I mean imagine if a movie had a plot about a woman who starves her husband, beats him daily, forces him to do grueling work, doesn't allow him to read or do anything for himself except wait on her, doesn't allow him to see his family, and is expected to fight to the death for her... and you were expected to laugh and cheer them on in an entirely unironic way.

I admit when I first started watching it... yeah I was horrified but I thought the female protagonist would eventually learn that "hey being horrifically abusive to someone who I essentially kidnapped from his home filled with people who love him is a REALLY terrible thing to do"... but the show actually treats her as endearing. Beauty and the Beast at least had the beast being mostly verbally abusive and threatening but was otherwise distant, not to mention he didn't get a free pass for what he did and actually had to learn to not be a distant abusive jerk.

Sorry... I cannot hate Familiar Zero enough and it sucks that I am the only one I know who hates it this much. Most people have the sense to not watch it if they don't like it. It is hard to get rid of your frustrations talking to a wall. You sometimes just want that one other person you can just vent to and have them understand.

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Lastly I have odd tastes and often descriptions that sound "bad" to others sound great to me.

Peach Girl I watched for example because the decription I read was: "A Girl who loves to swim so much that she has a tan is thought by others to be a loose girl"... and that hooked me. I was actually expecting an anime about a girl who in doing what she loved is thus disliked and mistreated and how she copes and turns others around, possibly through swimming.

Little did I know... NOPE!

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Finally I have a strong aversion to popularity. I absolutely despise hype of all kind, to the point where I will even say George Orwell spoke out of his butt, and thus I can rarely bring myself to watch popular animes even when they are good.

It is why I havn't finished Fairy Tale even though I really... like it... quite a bit.

-Note: Actually it isn't so much that I dislike George Orwell so much as I dislike the term "It could have happened" or "He predicted the future" when applied to his work. When a lot of his work either uttarly misunderstands how people work (Ohh boy... the sheer number of quotes people use) or that he just outright copied and pasted from what was going on at the time (Goodness does 1984 seem similar to Russia and Germany around the time it was written, but NAW pure coincidence). He isn't a bad writer by any degree, in fact I still believe he is a great writer, but I dislike his genius attitude people take from his work.

[Leafsnail]

-Note: Actually it isn't so much that I dislike George Orwell so much as I dislike the term "It could have happened" or "He predicted the future" when applied to his work. When a lot of his work either uttarly misunderstands how people work (Ohh boy... the sheer number of quotes people use) or that he just outright copied and pasted from what was going on at the time (Goodness does 1984 seem similar to Russia and Germany around the time it was written, but NAW pure coincidence). He isn't a bad writer by any degree, in fact I still believe he is a great writer, but I dislike his genius attitude people take from his work.

Do you understand what an allegory is?  Although the message of 1984 certainly commonly misinterpreted, given that Orwell was himself a socialist.

[ToonyMan]

I finished Chris' route in Majikoi but I don't even want to talk about it...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Baka baka baka


Yes the last choice is a bad end


Monster Hunter has about a dozen references.


The athletic festival was actually the best arc in Chris' route.  It was pretty fun.

Suguru got to show off his galge skills too.


STOP IT HIDEO


Hmm hmmm....wait what??


What?!


What!?


I think if I rape you you'll fall in love with me.

The End


Shakadou makes a brief appearance at the end just to be meta again.

Oh Shakadou.



Only one translated main heroine route left...Momoyo!


Yaaaaaaay

So far I would say Wanko > Yukie              >  >>>> > >>> >>    Chris


Amazingly, I started Little Busters! a few days ago (I swear it's a coincidence with the anime I'm running out of top-rated VNs) and it's actually kind of good.  It has a nice cast and the gameplay sections are great.  If I finish it this would work as a good motivator for Clannad...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Masato has Lancer's VA from F/sn and is generally great.  I like how his screaming breaks the audio.


BATTLE START


RANKINGS


BASEBAAAARRRRUUUUUU

[Chaoswizkid]

Finished season 1 of Strike Witches.

. . .

Then the main plot has them fighting some alien things (something like Eva's angels.)

Angels, you say!? I am suddenly interested.

Also, I CANNOT WAIT FOR REBUILD 3.33. OR EVEN 3.03, OR 3.0 OR WHATEVER THEY WANT. I need it.

Familiar Zero is EXACTLY that plot except not only is it played for laughs, but you are expected to cheer for the romance. I would have taken every single solitary bad thing I ever said about Familiar Zero if the male protagonist DID in fact go "I love you, but you are a horrible abusive woman and I am leaving you because I am worth it".

I mean imagine if a movie had a plot about a woman who starves her husband, beats him daily, forces him to do grueling work, doesn't allow him to read or do anything for himself except wait on her, doesn't allow him to see his family, and is expected to fight to the death for her... and you were expected to laugh and cheer them on in an entirely unironic way.

The last time I found a self-respecting main male protagonist in an anime/manga was probably Rock from Black Lagoon. Which reminds me, I've not fulfilled my quota for bitching about its lack of updates today.

I admit when I first started watching it... yeah I was horrified but I thought the female protagonist would eventually learn that "hey being horrifically abusive to someone who I essentially kidnapped from his home filled with people who love him is a REALLY terrible thing to do"... but the show actually treats her as endearing. Beauty and the Beast at least had the beast being mostly verbally abusive and threatening but was otherwise distant, not to mention he didn't get a free pass for what he did and actually had to learn to not be a distant abusive jerk.

She's endearing because she's had to endure immense ridicule and terrible self-loathing, and what she feels is her last chance at doing something good ends up being an ambiguous result at best, which throws her for a loop. Granted, people do have issues with the extent that she dishes out abuse, but it doesn't help that the guy is very much Generic!JapaneseMaleProtagonist and the situation is handled in the generic manner. Not sure if it's worse than Love Hina, though.

Sorry... I cannot hate Familiar Zero enough and it sucks that I am the only one I know who hates it this much. Most people have the sense to not watch it if they don't like it. It is hard to get rid of your frustrations talking to a wall. You sometimes just want that one other person you can just vent to and have them understand.

The reason why people don't hate it as much as you is probably due to fanfiction and AMVs. There are some really good romantic AMVs that I'm aware of. Fanfictions, especially crossover ones (I'm looking at you, Hill of Swords, and your pinnacle of greatness), have handled the abuse aspect really well and serve as a sufficient cushion for the anime/manga/light novel series. The issue is that the world of Familiar of Zero is really interesting, the concept is really interesting, and the characters are pretty interesting (it serves as a sharp contrast to traditional 'magical world/magical girl' series without going to the extent that Madoka did). People like it because of that, regardless of their issue about the abuse, and pursue fanwork as a means to perfect it.

It's like with NGE, if I talk about it with people, they say they don't like it and that Asuka was terrible and abusive and irredeemable and nothing at all made sense and it was portrayed poorly, and I see where they're coming from and begin to question it too, and then I read something like Rommel's Genocide: Extended, and I'm reminded why Asuka is my favorite character and why Evangelion is awesome. Granted it's a bit different, because honestly, Rommel doesn't change up much, where as in FoZ fanwork, Louise is (usually) a lot less abusive.

[Neonivek]

Not sure if it's worse than Love Hina

Love Hina gets away with it because it is a comedy. Those severe crippling injuries might as well have not happened.

She's endearing because she's had to endure immense ridicule and terrible self-loathing

This really doesn't help... but this does help be see why people often confuse a "Sympathetic villain" and a "Villain with a sympathetic backstory" all the time.

The issue is that the world of Familiar of Zero is really interesting, the concept is really interesting, and the characters are pretty interesting

I am not going to lie. It really is JUST the abuse that makes me hate it.

I liked the ideas and concepts and characters. Heck if Zero just stopped being horrifically abusive or at least the anime became AWARE that she was being horrifically abusive and stopped treating it for laughs, I would have been fine with it. (You know... Like the Manga apperantly did)

It's like with NGE, if I talk about it with people, they say they don't like it and that Asuka was terrible and abusive and irredeemable and nothing at all made sense and it was portrayed poorly

There is STILL a difference. Asuka's abusiveness was not treated as hillarious endeering character development for Asuka. Evangelion was a very horrific setting but it was written as a horrific setting.

It has NOTHING to do with the fact that there is horrible abuse in Familiar Zero. It has everything to do with the fact that the horrible abuse, as far as the show likes to show, is considered funny and that Zero herself is considered endeering inspite of the fact that she does the exact opposite of endeering.

In otherwords Familiar Zero is a show that Glorifies horrifically abusive people. The excuses as to why she is horrifically abusive doesn't really make her endeering to me, it just gives me context. It is no more endeering then Jason murder sprees.