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[Luke_Prowler]

I've been reading through this, and i have to ask: Will this be in real time, or turn based?

[bjlong]

This would be done in the fast-turn-based system that the game already uses.

I chose to put both [w] and [a] so that I could use them like parentheses, so that the last example on my post would make sense. I suppose we could get rid of that, but I would like to allow it as an alternate control scheme.

Second, six directions is good. And, yes, I'm talking about the vector pointing away from the handle.

I don't think that we need to worry about wrist control for weapons if we don't have rotation around the axis along the forearm. Let me explain: grab a rod. Hold it in front of you, with one hand, pointing straight up and down. This is the "foreward" position. Rotate your wrist to the left or right--not much difference, huh? Now rotate it so that the knuckles of your hand point downward. Hey, look, you're in a position to stab! Rotate your hand so that the knuckles point upward. Your rod should point back along your arm.

Now hold your rod in your first position again, and rotate your forearm. The tip should swing through about a 180 degree arc, with the final position horizontal. That's much more useful than the other rotations we were doing, besides the two vertically inclined ones. If you get your arm into it, you can almost go 360 degrees, which ends up being very, very useful. But it's also very, very stance changing.

Two handed weapons would have an "effective" wrist, caused by twisting the arms around--but if we want arbitrarily accurate positions, it'll probably become a mess.

For now, let's leave the buckler control scheme as an isolated example of what we would like to see in wrist control--we should get an OK comprehensive system rather than getting hung up on rod-like weapons.

Going back to your previous post, what we really need are length measurements for tiles, items, and anatomy. With those, the game should be able to know where everything is in terms of tiles, right?

[Tack]

righto... but i think it should be simply put as having swords axes etc as one square, and then having spears double that, with halberds and pikes even further, i.e. allows for inter-z level attacks.

[bjlong]

A bit of a tap here--I have no clue what you're thinking about binds, Footkercheif, so I'm waiting for you to jump back in to talk about them.

[AfterShave]

I'll revive this thread, because it's awesome enough.

I haven't read the whole thread since it's getting kind of late and I'm tired.
I suggest a placeholder aiming system at least until something more complex could be added in.

Simply it would be a toggle in the combat menu like the one where you choose to charge/grab/attack. With 3 aiming modes, one high, one low, and the normal one.
The low one would never hit above the stomach and the high one would never hit below. The normal would of course be able to hit everything.

Doesn't sound too hard to me but it probably is.

[Mel_Vixen]

If (sic!) we continue this thread we have totake the new Skills and bodies into account which would make some parts of this thread horrible outdated.

[Footkerchief]

Ah, this thread.  I fondly remember it as the one that dropped my grades on winter finals by a letter grade or two.

If (sic!) we continue this thread we have totake the new Skills and bodies into account which would make some parts of this thread horrible outdated.

I think we took into account the fact that body parts will have relative sizes, but yeah, we didn't have a clear idea of how the next version would handle BP positioning.  It's still not entirely clear to me how the game handles stuff like stab wounds passing through one BP into another, or one BP acts when it has multiple SURROUNDED_BY relationships.

Anyway, I still intend to go back through this thread with a fresh mind and try to pick out the sane/feasible parts.

[Mel_Vixen]

Me too i just need to get some dozen swinehalfs and sharpened weapons for some testing of theorys 

[eternal]

Bumping this thread for the new version, because it's awesome and I'd love to see any of this incorporated into the combat system.  Unarmed combat has options in DF and armed combat needs options to match.