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[Cheeetar]

That's a bit broad Frelock.

[Pandarsenic]

Any others?

[Tylui]

Sorry guys! My internet is dead until sunday and as soon as it's back on I will update! This is annoying to me since I want this game to work. <.<

Also I'm posting from my phone in case you were wondering.

[Frelock]

That's a bit broad Frelock.

It is, but it keeps things organized.  And it still requires a majority to strike any subsection.  Just hoping to give us the option, not that we need to use it.

[Cheeetar]

It does, however, allow us to strike any rule that would not require a majority (because of some tricky rules) away just by saying it is irrelevant.

[Frelock]

True, but you can only strike a subsection, not the entire rule, and even then only if you have the support of a majority of players.  And what rules do not require a majority?  If you mean we could strike immutable rules with only a majority, well, you're doing that anyways (changing all immutable rules into mutable rules), and if a majority of players currently want a rule stricken, it would take them only two turns to do it (one to change it to mutable, the next to strike it).

Still, I would like to hope that people would use this rule in its intended spirit.  Do you have any ideas on how to change it so it reflects such?

[Tylui]

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I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Glowy proposition names,to the court to judge:
 All proposition titles are shown in glow

I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

WAIT!!
LOOPHOLE!!
I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbedLOOPHOLE TIME,to the court to judge:
This post gains unlimited allowed proposed rule potential.
 A: does not count for points
 B: they are automatically accepted
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.


Now the loophole:
They are merged into a single RULE, NOT a proposition, so now I have total control, so,
Now the loophole.

I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed loophole results,to the court to judge:
The loophole problem is solved:
  a: a proposition with subsets is treated as a single proposition, not a single rule.
  b: my prior, strikethroughed, roposition is voted on as usual.
  c: the prior proposition-loophole-rule is reverted(non-retroactively)
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

I have no idea what just happened here, and in fact, I'm fairly confused...  But it looooks like you want your proposition to be the first one that's stricken through?

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   I, <Servant Corp>, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed <UNTITLED>, to the court to judge:                             
   <All players must submit at least one proposal per Turn>                             
   I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.               

How will this be enforced?  What happens if they don't submit a proposal each turn?  Are they no longer a Player?  Or can they just not participate in the rest of the phases that turn?

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I, Boksi, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed The Popular Vote Bonus, to the court to judge:                             
If a proposition passes or fails completely unanimously, it's proposer will be rewarded or punished by either gaining or losing twice as many points than they otherwise get.
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

Yupyup.  It's a goodun.

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I, Pandarsenic, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed THE SWEET RAVE PARTY PROPOSITION, to the court to judge:

"Any immutable rule with elements contrary to a mutable rule shall take precedence over that mutable rule."

I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.         

I like it; but I'm unsure of the title. *shrug* 

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I, Cheeetar, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Forum Title Change, to the court to judge:                             
   The title of this thread be changed to Meta-Slature (Bring your monocles)                             
   I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.                             

If I'm only allowed one proposition per turn then I respectfully ask this to be disregarded.
I am aware that there is a limit of one proposition per turn but I'm trying to exploit my previous status of accidentally ignored.

Haha, I like how you mention your plan of exploitation.  How about this: I'll change the title anyway.   I was thinking about doing so anyway.  Who wants to read a thread with a huuuuge title?

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I, Armok, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Board Basics A1, to the court to judge:                             

a.a) there is in the game a virtual board
a.b) the board has infinite size
a.c) the board is implied to contain a landscape
b.a) any player can place a unit on the board at any time for the cost of one (1) point
b.b) A player controls the actions of any unit they own
b.c) A player may not have more than 20 units on the board, nor may they place more than 5 units each turn.
c.a) all actions and events on the board must be RPed
c.b) RP must be according to common sense and must not be overpowered
c.c) what is sensible or overpowered is decided by the judge or by vote.
d.a) if a unit is killed, the player owning the unit who killed the other unit is rewarded 5 points.
d.b) if the unit killed and the unit killing it are owned by the same player, no points are rewarded.
d.c) Any action or even can be by RP implied by any player or non player at any one time, unless other rules or subsets of this rule states otherwise.
                       
   I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.               

Ya know...  This could be pretty awesome.

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I, webadict, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Bonus Vote, to the court to judge:                             
   A.) During each turn, we are granted a bonus vote, toward whichever proposition the player chooses.
   B.) If a player does not use this bonus vote, it is saved and added to a bonus vote count.
   C.) The bonus vote count of any player cannot exceed the number of players minus 1, to ensure that no particular proposition is unchallengeable.
   I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly. 

Neat!

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I, Frelock, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Proposition on the Organization of Propositions, to the court to judge:                             

All subsets of a proposition or rule must relate very closely to the main proposition.
  a) Any subsets which are deemed irrelevant will be thrown out.
  b) A subset is deemed irrelevant if a majority of the players deem it to be so.
  c) Calling for a vote on relevance does not count as a player's proposition for the turn.
  d) Any subset of any rule or proposition, passed or pending, may be voted on.
   
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.                             

I do love me some organizationz.

EDIT: I'll begin Phase II sometime later today; I'd like errbody to get a chance to be sure I didn't miss anything, and to read and possibly respond to the comments I made.

Again, sorry for the wait this weekend. D:

P.S.  I love spoilers.  Probably too much.

[Servant Corps]

How will this be enforced?  What happens if they don't submit a proposal each turn?  Are they no longer a Player?  Or can they just not participate in the rest of the phases that turn?

I haven't thought of any enforcement mechanism, I assume that if you are playing the game, you have to follow all the rules, otherwise you are not playing the game. However, I could see problems associated with this so...

   I, <Servant Corp>, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed <UNTITLED>, to the court to judge:                             
   <All players must submit at least one proposal per Turn, otherwise they cannot participate in the rest of the phases for that turn.>                             
   I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

[qwertyuiopas]

307. Any Proposition with subsets are to be treated as a single Rule.

Technically, there is a diffrence between the rule and a proposition, because rules affect the game, and propositions are just rules that need to be voted on before becoming rules.

What happened, is that this proposition made the game faster, but opened a loophole, where a proposition would be treated as a single RULE, not a single PROPOSITION.

Because it was a rule, not a proposition, I decided to fix it by temporarily allowing myself unlimited instantly passes rules

This post gains unlimited allowed proposed rule potential.
 A: does not count for points
 B: they are automatically accepted

Then, I reversed that after fixing the loophole.

The loophole problem is solved:
  a: a proposition with subsets is treated as a single proposition, not a single rule.

I made sure I left a proposition to be voted on.

b: my prior, strikethroughed, roposition is voted on as usual.

Then I finally canceled the previous rule that opened the loophole, to make things fair again, without affecting the action of sealing the loophole.

c: the prior proposition-loophole-rule is reverted(non-retroactively)

So, that leaves my proposition for this turn to have been

I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Glowy proposition names,to the court to judge:
 All proposition titles are shown in glow

I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

The post, for refrence:

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I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Glowy proposition names,to the court to judge:
 All proposition titles are shown in glow

I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

WAIT!!
LOOPHOLE!!
I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbedLOOPHOLE TIME,to the court to judge:
This post gains unlimited allowed proposed rule potential.
 A: does not count for points
 B: they are automatically accepted
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.


Now the loophole:
They are merged into a single RULE, NOT a proposition, so now I have total control, so,
Now the loophole.

I, Qwertyuiopas, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed loophole results,to the court to judge:
The loophole problem is solved:
  a: a proposition with subsets is treated as a single proposition, not a single rule.
  b: my prior, strikethroughed, roposition is voted on as usual.
  c: the prior proposition-loophole-rule is reverted(non-retroactively)
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

[webadict]

I suppose it's fair. He found the loophole, exploited it to make sure no one exploited it, then proceeded to play the game fairly. He didn't really gain anything from it.

[qwertyuiopas]

A long time ago I read about http://www.agoranomic.org/ and how someone had tried but it had either failed or had unintended consequences, to fix a large loophole(http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/MousetrapThesis)

[Tylui]

Qwertyuiopas, I'm thoroughly impressed.  That was amazing, once I understood it.

Thank you for clarifying; I'll go fix the rule.   Also, thanks for exploiting in a really noble way. Haha

[Tylui]

Alright... I've been thinking all day(at work) for a proper proposition for me to propose, and considering the new title of the thread, I think I've worked one out.

I, Tylui, hereby submit the following proposition, dubbed Monocle Avatars, to the court to judge:
Any Player who wishes to submit a Proposition must have a monocle in their avatar at the time of Proposal.  Otherwise, the Player must submit a detailed explanation as to why there is no monocle.
I respectfully ask all members of the court to carefully consider it's merits and cast their vote accordingly.

[Tylui]

Alright; let's get this show on the road.

Phase II - Voting

Status

--Score--(At beginning of this Phase)
Tylui(Judge) | 0 points
sonerohi | 0 points
Armok | 0 points
webadict | -5 points
Pandarsenic | 10 points
Frelock | 10 points
Boksi | 10 points
Cheeetar | 5 points
Servant Corps | 15 points
qwertyuiopas | -5 points

Point Changes This Phase:
webadict, +5, first participant in Phase

--Propositions to Vote on--
308.

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I propose that all amendments dubbed 'immutable' be removed of this status, to allow a more flexible rule set.

309.

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"Glowy Proposition Names" All proposition titles are shown in glow

310.

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All players must submit at least one proposal per Turn, otherwise they cannot participate in the rest of the phases for that turn.

311.

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"The (Un)Popular Vote Bonus" If a proposition passes or fails completely unanimously, it's proposer will be rewarded or punished by either gaining or losing twice as many points than they would otherwise get/lose

312.

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"THE SWEET RAVE PARTY PROPOSITION" Any immutable rule with elements contrary to a mutable rule shall take precedence over that mutable rule.

313.

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Board Basics A1
   A. The Board
      I. there is in the game a virtual board
      II. the board has infinite size
      III. the board is implied to contain a landscape
   B. The Players
      I. any player can place a unit on the board at any time for the cost of one (1) point
      II. A player controls the actions of any unit they own
      III. A player may not have more than 20 units on the board, nor may they place more than 5 units each turn.
   C. The Actions
      I. all actions and events on the board must be RPed
      II. RP must be according to common sense and must not be overpowered
      III. what is sensible or overpowered is decided by the judge or by vote.
   D. The Objective
      I. if a unit is killed, the player owning the unit who killed the other unit is rewarded 5 points.
      II. if the unit killed and the unit killing it are owned by the same player, no points are rewarded.
      III. Any action or even can be by RP implied by any player or non player at any one time, unless other rules or subsets of this rule states otherwise.

314.

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Bonus Vote
   A. During each turn, we are granted a bonus vote, toward whichever proposition the player chooses.
   B. If a player does not use this bonus vote, it is saved and added to a bonus vote count.
   C. The bonus vote count of any player cannot exceed the number of players minus 1, to ensure that no particular proposition is unchallengeable.

315.

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"Proposition on the Organization of Propositions" All subsets of a proposition or rule must relate very closely to the main proposition.
   A. Any subsets which are deemed irrelevant will be thrown out.
   B. A subset is deemed irrelevant if a majority of the players deem it to be so.
   C. Calling for a vote on relevance does not count as a player's proposition for the turn.
   D. Any subset of any rule or proposition, passed or pending, may be voted on.

316.

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"Monocle Avatars" Any Player who wishes to submit a Proposition must have a monocle in their avatar at the time of Proposal.  Otherwise, the Player must submit a detailed explanation as to why there is no monocle.

[webadict]

308. No
309. No
310. Yes
311. Yes
312. Yes
313. Why the heck not, yes
314. Yes
315. Yes
316. No, it'd take too much time.