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E. Albright

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2008, 06:34:26 pm »

If you want a model for the "other side", I'd be looking more towards the militia movement, KKK, and Phineas Priesthood as examples of right-wing American terrorism.

And I must concur with comments upthread that liberalism and socialism share no blurred border outside of rightwing propaganda. Liberals are fundamentally pro-capitalist. Socialist are fundamentally proponents of centrally planned economies. The only overlap you'll generally see is on social issues... but even then they only agree on underlying principles, not proposed solutions. If that's enough to be counted as blurring, then many libertarians "blur the line" with socialism too.

And for clarification, Nation of Islam is not even VAGUELY liberal, in any sense. That's like saying, hmm, Al Queda is liberal because they oppose the American occupation of Iraq. Or that the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was liberal because one of their vegetarian leader's first acts on assuming power was outlawing vivisection.
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Servant Corps

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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2008, 06:57:37 pm »

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Liberals are fundamentally pro-capitalist. Socialist are fundamentally proponents of centrally planned economies.

Except for Market Socialism. But I think it'd be best if we decide to agree to disagree on this issue rather than continue to clutter this thread. I like seeing a modded version that allows me to play CCS, you don't. Er.
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E. Albright

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2008, 07:30:00 pm »

But I think it'd be best if we decide to agree to disagree on this issue rather than continue to clutter this thread. I like seeing a modded version that allows me to play CCS, you don't. Er.

Actually, I for one never said anything to that effect, and even went so far as to point out a couple of rightwing organizational models to base a CCS on. But I agree, this is drifting far afield from the original topic and should probably find its own thread if discussion is to continue.
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mainiac

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2008, 07:57:12 pm »

I'm not saying CCS can't be done either, I'm just saying it can't be something you hack together quickly.  LCS was done first because it's easier to do the LCS humor because of the inherant absurdity.  With the CCS you need to very carefully plan out how you are going to change the game to highlight the absurdity and keep the game from getting too dark in tone.
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Servant Corps

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2008, 10:43:01 pm »

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Actually, I for one never said anything to that effect

Oh. Er. You see...um...

I often times confuse mainaic and E. Albright...as the same exact person. So when you were responding, I thought you were mainaic, and responded accordingly.

I apologize. My bad. I haven't the foggiest idea why I think you guys are so similar.
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Kruniac

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2008, 06:35:39 am »

I'm not saying CCS can't be done either, I'm just saying it can't be something you hack together quickly.  LCS was done first because it's easier to do the LCS humor because of the inherant absurdity.  With the CCS you need to very carefully plan out how you are going to change the game to highlight the absurdity and keep the game from getting too dark in tone.

Nothing wrong with that. I would like a dark tone to the game. I mean, I liberate child workers only to prostitute them out to fund my terrorist organization.

...What can be more dark than that?
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2008, 07:05:24 am »

Oh... I meant to disable prostitution for people under 13.
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Kruniac

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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2008, 08:25:21 am »

Oh... I meant to disable prostitution for people under 13.

Taking away my biggest moneymaker. For shame!
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Earthquake Damage

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2008, 10:05:10 am »

Oh... I meant to disable prostitution for people under 13.

I wouldn't outright disable it.  I would rather it be far less lucrative (not that prostitution is all that lucrative compared to, say, selling t-shirts or hacking) for fairly obvious reasons.  It should also frequently drawing police attention (thus a chase/arrest ensues).  Since prostitution nukes your juice IIRC, the child is liable to rat you out.  Thus a racketeering charge plus whatever charge applies to someone involved in child prostitution.

The result:  You discourage using child workers as prostitutes via realistic constraints rather than banning it "because I don't want players doing it" or whatever.

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Speaking of child workers, shouldn't exceptionally young liberals draw attention if they're seen driving a car?  Maybe add a chance, with likelihood linked to age, of getting chased by the cops if you have a youngster driving a car.

Also, if the Bar & Grill is more bar than grill (i.e. you have to be 21 to enter), and I don't know that it is, maybe the CCS should be suspicious of young folks wandering about their establishment.  Not that there's much reason to be sneaking around there in the first place.  Really, you're either there to kill or recruit.  There's no loot or anything.
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Rezan

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2008, 10:16:34 am »

But isn't being able to do as you want with your own body part of the Liberal Agenda? If these 13 year olds want to sell their bodies for money they don't even get; then it's their choice, according to liberal policy. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it seems fairly liberal.

Also; if someone wanted to "mess" with this game and use it for pedophile purposes or whatever; they have full access to the source-code. I don't see the harm it does. Personally I never even thought of using 'em for prostitution. Too busy sending them into Conservative Lairs with molotovs. They rarely come back, for some reason..
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mainiac

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2008, 10:34:52 am »

Prostitution is a surrender to the economic domination of conservative wealth, ceeding the sanctity of your body's for a capitalist wage.  Hence the juice loss, it's unliberal activity which liberals only do when forced into it.  Child prostitution is even less liberal because it infringes on the liberal principle of child protection.  It's so unliberal that I don't think it should be allowed.  Srlsly, where's the lols in it?
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2008, 10:38:11 am »

Too busy sending them into Conservative Lairs with molotovs. They rarely come back, for some reason..

Pfft.  Children have high HRT, so I prefer to have them selling art and playing music on the streets for moolah.  My action teams consist of dancers and athletes with swords and occasionally guns.
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Kruniac

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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2008, 11:55:31 am »

Prostitution is a surrender to the economic domination of conservative wealth, ceeding the sanctity of your body's for a capitalist wage.  Hence the juice loss, it's unliberal activity which liberals only do when forced into it.  Child prostitution is even less liberal because it infringes on the liberal principle of child protection.  It's so unliberal that I don't think it should be allowed.  Srlsly, where's the lols in it?

The lols come from the simple fact that you liberate the poor masses... only to sell them on the street. I find that VERY funny.

Its no worse than beating someone until they become brainwashed, then forcing them to charge into a police station to mow down the cops.

Its certainly no worse than half of the things you can do in this game.
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Rezan

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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2008, 11:59:28 am »

Indeed Kruniac; not to mention that technically, as long they're not "Enlightened", they have a choice to leave. It is kind of crazy, but so is everything else the LCS does.
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Servant Corps

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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2008, 12:59:23 pm »

I concur. Same with the usual fundrasing techinque of liberating Conservative sweatshop workers only to put them to work...in Liberal sweatshops.
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