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Shurikane

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Diagonal chutes possible?
« on: November 19, 2008, 08:51:07 pm »

I mark an item for dumping.  The dump zone is above a chute constructed this way (cross-section):

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Will the falling item make it all the way down, or will it stop at the first ramp?
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 08:53:25 pm »

one thing to consider is that ramps are really ramps as far as physics are concerned, they're more like floor tiles that let dorfs move between z-levels.

so i would think no. sorry.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 09:18:19 pm »

Then I think I found a solution to my "dwarves would get struck by falling items" problem.

I'll just build hatches at the bottom of the chute, above ground level.  A pull of a lever opens the hatches and lets the items fall, after which I un-forbid the entrance door to let dwarves pick up the stuff.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 11:17:49 pm »

You don't have to worry about the items falling on the dwarves, it won't hurt them.  You'll still have to un-forbid the items themselves, though.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 11:40:12 pm »

You could possibly run water over it.  As long as you're not dumping stone it should get it down there.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 12:06:05 am »

You could possibly run water over it.  As long as you're not dumping stone it should get it down there.

If I recall correctly though, for the water to be considered 'flowing' it can't reach 7/7 so you would have to ensure you don't dump too much water down the shaft. This could be a good garbage disposal system, a diagonal channel running to a chasm or something.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 12:32:21 am »

You could possibly run water over it.  As long as you're not dumping stone it should get it down there.

If I recall correctly though, for the water to be considered 'flowing' it can't reach 7/7 so you would have to ensure you don't dump too much water down the shaft. This could be a good garbage disposal system, a diagonal channel running to a chasm or something.

I tried this.  It's pretty hard to get a steady flow below 7/7.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 01:03:22 am »

You could possibly run water over it.  As long as you're not dumping stone it should get it down there.

If I recall correctly though, for the water to be considered 'flowing' it can't reach 7/7 so you would have to ensure you don't dump too much water down the shaft. This could be a good garbage disposal system, a diagonal channel running to a chasm or something.

I tried this.  It's pretty hard to get a steady flow below 7/7.

Really? I'd imagine a single channel of 7/7 water going into a 2-3 wide diagonal chute would do it. I'll have to test it some time.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 01:11:01 am »

You could possibly run water over it.  As long as you're not dumping stone it should get it down there.

If I recall correctly though, for the water to be considered 'flowing' it can't reach 7/7 so you would have to ensure you don't dump too much water down the shaft. This could be a good garbage disposal system, a diagonal channel running to a chasm or something.

I tried this.  It's pretty hard to get a steady flow below 7/7.

Really? I'd imagine a single channel of 7/7 water going into a 2-3 wide diagonal chute would do it. I'll have to test it some time.

That's actually a much better solution than what I tried (messing with pressure plates and floodgates).  Let me know if it works.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 02:06:50 am »

Could probably work well channeling a brook into it, too.  Notice that the ends of natural waterfalls and non-source water edge tiles don't typically get above 2.  So unless you have a pressurized system going, I don't think it will be a problem.
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 09:21:17 am »

I'm working on a setup for garbage disposal. It doesnt need to be flowing all the time, but yes it's hard to pull off. As soon as you get a bit above the 3/7 you have job cancellations all the time (from the dwarves that carry the item to the flowing area).

But I have a new plan that might as well be the breakthrough.

First (that's still the not-perfectly-working version) I just tried to find a balance between pumps and water inlet. Ran fine for a few months, then it got flooded and I had to shut down the inlet for a few days (estimated). Too much micromanagment and too many job cancellations.

Second step was to connect my water inlet with my patented animal alternator. Basically its just an animal chained up next to some pressure plates. The size of the room basically determines how often that animal will step on each plate. In that case you need an 1x2 room, 1 plate, 1 chain and you can say the door is open 50% of the time. Worked better than before, still job cancellations and micromanagment.

Now, and I havent built it yet, but I think it is the final step to make it work, I have this plan:
1x3 room as alternator. 2 pressure plates, chain in the middle.
Flowing setup looks like the "old school irrigation" on the wiki: you calculate how big of a reservoir you need to fill your let-the-items-flow-area with 3/7 water. then you build two floodgates, one between water source and reservoir, 1 between reservoir and the let-the-stuff-flow-area.

The animal has 3 tiles to stand on: middle tile, which closes both floodgates.
 and two pressure plates, each of which opens one of the floodgates.

you will have a WEAK flow and sometimes the room will be full with items before the dwarves can bring new ones.... but there should be ZERO micromanagment and job cancellations.

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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 11:07:50 am »

Very interesting Puck, I want to try out one of these animal alternators :D
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 01:15:24 pm »

I never thought of that. Cool idea.
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So there's that, as well. It looks like the only chronic problems that water can't cure are nausea and cave spider bites.
Which, coincidentally enough, can be cured by magma.

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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 03:59:25 pm »

Why don't you introduce the flow 1 levlel below the dump area, so the dwarves are never in contact with the water?
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Re: Diagonal chutes possible?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2008, 04:44:01 am »

Yeah, just throw the items in from a hole above... no job cancellations and no worries.
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