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Jonathan S. Fox

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New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« on: November 18, 2008, 05:18:51 am »

This took some six hours at least. It's a lot harder than it looks. :P

New base stats:
8 HRT, 3 INT, 1 WIS, 4 CHA, 4 STR, 5 AGI, 6 HTH

The day I was born in 1984...
A - the Polish priest Popieluszko was kidnapped by government agents. (+2 AGI)
B - was the 3rd anniversary of the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan. (+2 STR)
C - the Macintosh was introduced. (+2 INT)
D - the Nobel Peace Prize went to Desmond Tutu for opposition to apartheid. (+2 HRT)
E - the Sandanista Front won the elections in Nicaragua. (+2 CHA)

My parents named me <propername>.

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When I was bad...
A - my parents grounded me and hid my toys, but I knew where they put them. (+1 AGI, +1 Security)
B - my father beat me.  I learned to take a punch earlier than most. (+1 HTH, +1 Martial Arts)
C - I was sent to my room, where I studied quietly by myself, alone. (+1 INT, +1 Writing)
D - my father lectured me endlessly, trying to make me think like him. (+1 HRT, +1 Interrogation)
E - my parents argued with each other about me, but I was never punished. (+1 CHA, +1 Persuasion)

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In elementary school...
A - I was mischevious, and always up to something. (+1 AGI, +1 Disguise)
B - I had a lot of repressed anger.  I hurt animals. (+1 STR, +1 AGI, -1 HRT, +1 Interrogation)
C - I was at the head of the class, and I worked very hard. (+1 INT, +1 Writing)
D - I was unruly and often fought with the other children. (+1 STR, +1 Martial Arts)
E - I was the class clown.  I even had some friends. (+1 CHA, +1 Persuasion)

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When I turned 10...
A - my parents divorced.  Whenever I talked, they argued, so I stayed quiet. (+1 Stealth)
B - my parents divorced.  Violently. (+1 Martial Arts)
C - my parents divorced.  Acrimoniously.  I once tripped over the paperwork! (+1 Law)
D - my parents divorced.  Mom slept with the divorce lawyer. (+1 Seduction)
E - my parents divorced.  It still hurts to read my old diary. (+1 Writing)

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In junior high school...
A - I was into chemistry.  I wanted to know what made the world tick. (+2 INT, +2 Science)
B - I played guitar in a grunge band.  We sucked, but so did life. (+2 CHA, +2 Music)
C - I played violent video games at home.  I was a total outcast. (+2 AGI, +2 Computers)
D - I drew things, a lot.  I was drawing a world better than this. (+2 HRT, +2 Art)
E - I was obsessed with swords, and started lifting weights. (+2 STR, +2 Sword)

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Things were getting really bad...
A - when I stole my first car.  I got a few blocks before I totalled it. (+1 Driving, +1 Security)
B - and I went to live with my dad.  He had been in Nam and he still drank. (+1 Shotgun, +1 Rifle)
C - and I went completely goth.  I had no friends and made costumes by myself. (+2 Garment Making)
D - when I was sent to religious counseling, just stressing me out more. (+1 Religion, +1 Interrogation)
E - and I tried being a teacher's assistant.  It just made me a target. (+2 Teaching)

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Well, I knew it had reached a crescendo when...
A - I stole a cop car when I was only 14.  I went to juvie for 6 months. (+1 INT, +1 Driving, +1 Security)
B - my stepmom shot her ex-husband, my dad, with a shotgun.  She got off. (+1 AGI, +2 Shotgun)
C - I tried wrestling for a quarter, desperate to fit in. (+1 STR, +2 Martial Arts)
D - I got caught making out, and now I needed be 'cured' of homosexuality. (+1 HRT, +1 Seduction, +1 Religion)
E - I was resorting controlling people.  Had my own clique of outcasts. (+1 CHA, +2 Persuasion)

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I was only 15 when I ran away, and...
A - I started robbing houses:  rich people only.  I was fed up with their crap. (+1 AGI, +1 Security, +1 Stealth)
B - I hung out with thugs and beat the shit out of people. (+1 STR, +2 Martial Arts)
C - I got a horrible job working fast food, smiling as people fed the man. (+1 CHA, +2 Business)
D - I let people pay me for sex.  I needed the money to survive. (+1 CHA, +2 Seduction)
E - I volunteered for a left-wing candidate. It wasn't *real*, though, you know? (+1 INT, +1 Law, +1 Persuasion)

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Life went on.  On my 18th birthday...
A - I stole a security uniform. (Start equipped with a security uniform)
B - I bought myself an assault rifle. (Start equipped with an AK-47)
C - I celebrated.  I'd saved a thousand bucks! (Start with $1000)
D - I went out to party and met a judge.  We've been fast friends ever since. (Start with a Liberal Judge recruited as a sleeper)
E - I managed to acquire secret maps of several major buildings downtown. (Start with maps of several downtown sites)

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For the past few years, I've been...
A - stealing from Corporations.  I know they're still keeping more secrets. (+2 INT, +2 AGI, +2 Disguise, +1 Security, +1 Stealth)
B - a violent criminal.  Nothing can change me, or stand in my way. (+2 AGI, +2 HTH, +2 Rifle, +2 Pistol)
C - taking college courses.  I can see how much the country needs help. (+3 INT, +1 HRT, +2 Science, +1 Teaching, +1 Writing)
D - talking to people, learning how they think.  I have to change minds. (+2 INT, +2 CHA, +2 Persuasion, +1 Science, +1 Religion)
E - writing my manifesto and refining my image.  I'm ready to lead. (+4 CHA, +2 Writing, +1 Law, +1 Leadership)

I like in <cityname>, and it's about to experience real change.
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 05:55:06 am »

Thanks for the effort, tho.  I like seeing some of the mechanics of what's going on, once the novelty of the ennie-meanie-miney-mo method wears off.
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 06:00:48 am »

Well, most of the effort was in the fact that I actually altered the effects of the choices and created several news one and rebalanced the 'classes' formed by choosing all one letter, and so on and so forth. This version posted here isn't in the game just yet, at least not in a released version. It'll be in the next release whenever that happens.
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2008, 10:21:16 am »

Yikes. You can start off with 16 Charisma and 4 Persuasion? I know that's a deliberately unbalanced founder, going all the way for recruitment, but that's a heck of a bonus for someone who wants to recruit and lay low...
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2008, 10:39:09 am »

I have ALWAYS wanted to see that "chart" of base stats from creation. For some time I contemplated whether it would be worth it to go through them all with method of elimination, just to make the founder of my choice. Looks great, and as balanced as six hours will permit.

When will this be implemented in a release?
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 01:05:59 pm »

Yikes. You can start off with 16 Charisma and 4 Persuasion? I know that's a deliberately unbalanced founder, going all the way for recruitment, but that's a heck of a bonus for someone who wants to recruit and lay low...

Go go Gadget High Inquisitor Educator!

Seriously, with that much base Charisma you should be able to, once you max your juice through quasi-safe methods, convert hostages like, um, like something that converts hostages really fast.

I wouldn't recommend defending yourself in court, though.  IIRC Law is linked to Intelligence.  You won't be too shabby, but El Che:  Ace Attorney you ain't.
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2008, 01:41:47 pm »

16 Charisma 4 Persuasion is pretty mighty, and I might reduce the default Charisma slightly, but bear in mind the current version AEEEAEEDEE build (and a couple variations) will give you 15 Charisma and 5 Persuasion in the current version. Notably, interrogation is linked to intelligence as well as charisma, and while heart doesn't affect the skill interrogation, it still impacts the process. For a master interrogator in the long term, you might be better off going with EEEDADAECDD for 7 Int, 12 Cha, and a broader set of useful skills, including 6 Persuasion, 2 Science, 2 Religion, 2 Business, 1 Interrogation, and 1 Seduction.

Edit: No current ETA on the next release. :( For a chart of the existing system, see the LCS Wiki:
http://lcs.wikidot.com/questions
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2008, 03:51:34 pm »

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Go go Gadget High Inquisitor Educator!

That's it. I'm calling it now.

I'm going to start a "Technical Pacifist" Run in LCS. I will kill nobody. I will torture without mercy, I will maim totally, but I will not kill.
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2008, 08:35:31 pm »

Once I tried to only use guitars to convert ppl and not kill em.....it worked great until my squad got taken out by a mercenary.......

AR-12 > guitar
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2008, 08:46:54 pm »

B - my stepmom shot her ex-husband, my dad, with a shotgun.  She got off. (+1 AGI, +2 Shotgun)

Wouldnt that be +2 law?  Its not about learning to use a shotgun, its about learning how one gets away with murder...
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2008, 09:54:09 pm »

D - I got caught making out, and now I needed be 'cured' of homosexuality. (+1 HRT, +1 Seduction, +1 Religion)


Shouldn't it be 'making out with a guy' or is that too big?
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2008, 10:22:55 pm »

B - my stepmom shot her ex-husband, my dad, with a shotgun.  She got off. (+1 AGI, +2 Shotgun)

Wouldnt that be +2 law?  Its not about learning to use a shotgun, its about learning how one gets away with murder...

Maybe it's indicative of a family that uses shotguns regularly (for hunting, presumably)?
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2008, 10:52:27 pm »

D - I got caught making out, and now I needed be 'cured' of homosexuality. (+1 HRT, +1 Seduction, +1 Religion)


Shouldn't it be 'making out with a guy' or is that too big?
no because what if you start with a female founder? Then making out with a guy would be normal
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 12:08:26 am »

My thinking was that the shotgun question is more indicative of a violent upbringing and the decision by the player to select choices that have guns and people getting shot in them. But mainly it's shotgun skill because that's what it has always been, and it's one of the original Bay 12 Games questions, not one I wrote myself.  :P

Without having gender in the game, the making out line has to be vague. But I also like the punchy way that the outcome comes as a bit of a surprise -- it's a slightly unfair and uncomfortable sentence to read, because important information goes unstated, and you have to realize it after the fact. Its flow is oddly analogous to the wrenching emotional change of gears and sense of injustice inherent in the situation it describes.

Over-analyzing it breaks the effect though.  ::)
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Re: New character creation choices (game mechanic spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 12:47:54 am »

Do a few grammer checks, and your good  :)

Even more options would be cool, but meh. You've basically covered everything.
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