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[tiresius]

Hey folks-

This might be common knowledge but I didn't see anything in the searches.  Toady has 1100+ items in his "countdown".  What exactly are these items?  Specific Features? Lines of code?  How does Toady quantify the work between releases exactly?

The game programmer side of me needs to know. 

[Rhenaya]

Hey folks-

This might be common knowledge but I didn't see anything in the searches.  Toady has 1100+ items in his "countdown".  What exactly are these items?  Specific Features? Lines of code?  How does Toady quantify the work between releases exactly?

The game programmer side of me needs to know. 

little items, programming entitys, functions and whatever...
at least its impossible to guess the amount of line you have to do ^^

[sneakey pete]

According to todays dev now, the number is comprised approximatly of these things

11/05/2008: 1138. Continuing on with boringish polymorphism. What's left, by the way, not necessarily in order, are 193 worth of these body changes, 250 worth of wounds and health care concerns, 165 for map features, 260 for entity positions, 195 for squads, and 75 for random crap and tests.

Basically, they're "things" he wants to do. Some might be multiple lines of codes, others might just be simple.

[valcon]

I hate to say it but

Reading the dev log ...

It sure does seem like Toady is losing interest in the project.

Things which might have previously been interesting to him are described as boring or tedious or annoying. 

I've noticed an immense uptick in the number of "blah blah blah"'s he uses. 

It sure does feel like he's getting tired of the 'ole DF.

Maybe we should make him a get well soon card.  Or maybe a "program or die" card.  Something like that.   

[Capntastic]

I think the 'blah blah blahs' are just boring code cleaning bits that don't need to be detailed in any amount.    A lot of what he's doing currently is simply updating code to make it more future friendly.

[Toady One]

I think it has more to do with the rest of everything else.  I found two "blah"s in the dev log, one a few days ago when I was balancing my pre-election stuff with everything else and hadn't done the forums for days, and one when I was in the middle of the tech support mess with my old web host and was starting to think I'd have to move the site.  I've been stretched pretty thin since sometime in October, and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me).  It's also a bit weird doing the dev logs for this countdown, as I already did some of the excited writeups when I did the outlines a while ago, and now that I'm going through and filling them in, there's less to say sometimes.

[Jake]

...and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me)...

Which kind of begs the question of what exactly you do when you're not writing DF; I had you pegged as either taking a Comp Sci master's or writing code somewhere famous and earning a ridiculous amount of money.

[Jetman123]

I think it has more to do with the rest of everything else.  I found two "blah"s in the dev log, one a few days ago when I was balancing my pre-election stuff with everything else and hadn't done the forums for days, and one when I was in the middle of the tech support mess with my old web host and was starting to think I'd have to move the site.  I've been stretched pretty thin since sometime in October, and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me).  It's also a bit weird doing the dev logs for this countdown, as I already did some of the excited writeups when I did the outlines a while ago, and now that I'm going through and filling them in, there's less to say sometimes.

Take your time, Toady - don't get burned out. 40d will last us for quite a while. ^_^

[SHAD0Wdump]

I think it has more to do with the rest of everything else.  I found two "blah"s in the dev log, one a few days ago when I was balancing my pre-election stuff with everything else and hadn't done the forums for days, and one when I was in the middle of the tech support mess with my old web host and was starting to think I'd have to move the site.  I've been stretched pretty thin since sometime in October, and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me).  It's also a bit weird doing the dev logs for this countdown, as I already did some of the excited writeups when I did the outlines a while ago, and now that I'm going through and filling them in, there's less to say sometimes.

I'm glad I'm not the only one with sleeping disorder.
Or maybe I'm not...

[Tormy]

I hate to say it but

Reading the dev log ...

It sure does seem like Toady is losing interest in the project.

Things which might have previously been interesting to him are described as boring or tedious or annoying. 

I've noticed an immense uptick in the number of "blah blah blah"'s he uses. 

It sure does feel like he's getting tired of the 'ole DF.

Maybe we should make him a get well soon card.  Or maybe a "program or die" card.  Something like that.   

Even if Toady would be a bit "burnt out", that would be understandable to be honest...I don't know too much about coding, but it must be one of the most boring things on the planet.
Perhaps Toady shouldn't code a single line in December. It's X-mas time anyway. Spend some time with the friends/family/etc...but again, Toady knows that what is the best for him. 

[Rhenaya]

I think it has more to do with the rest of everything else.  I found two "blah"s in the dev log, one a few days ago when I was balancing my pre-election stuff with everything else and hadn't done the forums for days, and one when I was in the middle of the tech support mess with my old web host and was starting to think I'd have to move the site.  I've been stretched pretty thin since sometime in October, and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me).  It's also a bit weird doing the dev logs for this countdown, as I already did some of the excited writeups when I did the outlines a while ago, and now that I'm going through and filling them in, there's less to say sometimes.

I'm glad I'm not the only one with sleeping disorder.
Or maybe I'm not...

i live a 28/6 week instead of normal 24/7.. its not like id o it exactly this way but one day a week i dont sleep... and then i sleep depends on mood (could be morning, afternoon, or sometimes even at night)

[peekama]

I hate to say it but

Reading the dev log ...

It sure does seem like Toady is losing interest in the project.

Things which might have previously been interesting to him are described as boring or tedious or annoying. 

I've noticed an immense uptick in the number of "blah blah blah"'s he uses. 

It sure does feel like he's getting tired of the 'ole DF.

Maybe we should make him a get well soon card.  Or maybe a "program or die" card.  Something like that.   

Even if Toady would be a bit "burnt out", that would be understandable to be honest...I don't know too much about coding, but it must be one of the most boring things on the planet.
Perhaps Toady shouldn't code a single line in December. It's X-mas time anyway. Spend some time with the friends/family/etc...but again, Toady knows that what is the best for him. 

If Toady is burnt out from coding, it probably isn't from boredom. Coding is actually one of the funnest (productive) things you can do. Don't get me wrong, the act of typing all of that out isn't fun or anything, but working out a bug in your code, or figuring out how to implement something new is awesome.

It's kinda like trying to build a megaproject in DF.  Even when something gets massively screwed, you can only be mad for so long before you want to get back to work and figure out where you went wrong.

[JoshuaFH]

am i seriously the only one that saw this thread and thought that Europe's "The Final Countdown" was involved?

[valcon]

I think it has more to do with the rest of everything else.  I found two "blah"s in the dev log, one a few days ago when I was balancing my pre-election stuff with everything else and hadn't done the forums for days, and one when I was in the middle of the tech support mess with my old web host and was starting to think I'd have to move the site.  I've been stretched pretty thin since sometime in October, and for some reason I got up at 7pm yesterday which was really weird (3pm is also weird, but normal for me).  It's also a bit weird doing the dev logs for this countdown, as I already did some of the excited writeups when I did the outlines a while ago, and now that I'm going through and filling them in, there's less to say sometimes.

well hang in there bro.  i forgot about that big cluster&%#@k with the website, and that had to be nothing but a massive distraction and annoyance. 

when the sleep schedule gets messed up, its good to take some time away and get settled again.  i wasn't trying to imply any impatience, just a worry that you may have been cracking away at it too hard.  if your sleep schedule gets too screwy, try and get some OTC melatonin, it's not a sleeping pill, it just resets your circadian rhythm to whichever works best for your schedule.

anyway hang in there man, even if you aren't totally excited about some of the stuff you are doing, know that i am, we are, and we're behind you and keeping up and i know we all wish we could help, so hopefully people will keep up donating and you can stay human while trying to keep us grubbers happy =)  good luck, brother.

*And remember:  If it isn't fun now, wait until it is again!  have fun with it!

[Sunday]

The thing I admire most about this project is that Toady's managing (for the most part) making a living doing something he enjoys.  If he isn't enjoying it, then that sucks.

But, as with pretty much everything, there are going to be times when what one's working on isn't super interesting, and also when one just isn't into doing it right now.  So yeah, I don't think it's quite time to be calling doom of the "Oh no!  No more fun is being had anymore!" sort.  But maybe a longer holiday should be considered since it sounds like this last one wasn't much fun, what with all the crazy internet stuff.  Or, you know, whatever.

Personally, I've found that in order to function at all I have to spend about 8 hours a week playing with dogs. 

Puppies: nature's stress reliever.