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[magistrate101]

Any suggestions on the best way to play a paladin?

I dunno, but whenever I play a necromancer, I get pwnd by the undead I raise :x

[Frumple]

Worship Mara, max diplomacy/ride, barrel around on your mount talking your way out of everything. Kill what you can't quell. Paladins aren't terribly complicated, really, just make sure you turn off complicity. Kobolds (giant dragonfly, no joke.) and halflings (hippogriff, selection of dragons, excellent stats for a paladin) make excellent paladins, because they get some killer sacred mounts.

Here's the spoiler info on sacred mounts and animal companions:

Spoiler: List of racial sacred mounts (click to show/hide)

This took waaay too much time in wizardmode. Anyway, an addendum to
the stats -- which sacred mounts the various races get. There's some
oddities with sizing -- all the dragons, no matter the size category,
seem to be ridable. Some non-dragons -- I noticed the elephants, but I
may have missed a few -- will require resizing of you or them to be
ridden. Anything marked (OS) is unridable with that race's default
size category, everything marked (UR) is unridable, period. Anything
''ed is a case where the display name isn't what the critter is, such
as with unicorns -- this may only happen in the case of characters
with low knowledge scores. The actual creature is in parenthesis
beside them, as is the type of dragon for those particular mounts.
Notes, if any, are beside the race name.

Some pretty impressive stuff, those paladins get to ride around on.
How come blackgaurds don't get such neat toys, eh?

Human
celestial horse, celestial warhorse, dragonne, griffin,
'horse' (Unicorn), juvenile dragon(Gold), lammasu, pegasus, young
dragon(Gold)

Dwarf: All mounts celestial.
arsinoitherium, black bear(UR), elephant(OS), giant tortoise,
grick(UR), pony, rust monster(UR), warpony, dire elephant(OS)

Halfling
celestial aurumvorax, celestial cheetah celestial mastiff, celestial
pony, celestial rust monster(UR), celestial warpony, celestial wolf,
hippogriff, juvenile dragon (Brass), juvenile dragon(Bronze), young
dragon(Brass), young dragon(Bronze)

Kobold: All mounts celestial.
cave cricket, giant blue beetle(UR), giant crustacean(UR), giant
dragonfly, giant praying mantis, giant slug, giant soldier ant, giant
wasp, grick(UR), monsterous centipede(UR)

Elf
celestial horse, celestial pegasus, celestial warhorse, hippogriff,
'horse' (Unicorn), juvenile dragon(Silver), young dragon(Silver)

Lizardfolk: All dragon mounts are actually ur-dragons.
behir(UR), celestial riding lizard, celestial war lizard,
froghemoth(UR), tendriculous(UR), young dragon(Water), young
dragon(Plant), young dragon(Shadow), young dragon(Shattering), young
dragon(Brilliant)

Gnome
celestial aurumvorax, celestial giant badger(UR), celestial hatori,
celestial mastiff, celestial pygmy war rhino, celestial riding dog,
juvenile dragon(Brass), juvenile dragon(Copper), mastiff(Clockwork),
riding dog(Clockwork), young dragon(Mercury), young
dragon(Mercury(!)), young dragon(Brass), young dragon(Copper)

Drow: All mounts except the juvenile dragon are celestial.
'bat'(Night Hunter)(UR), 'black dragon'(Wyvern), giant spider(UR),
pike spider (UR), psionic riding lizard, riding lizard, war lizard,
juvenile dragon(Purple)

Orc: All except blazing terror and winter wolf are celestial.
blazing terror, cave lion, griffon, horse, warhorse, dire cave lion,
dire wolf, winter wolf

A lot of the unridable stuff was fixed in between making this list and the current version, so most of those can probably be rode now. The lists themselves are still accurate, to the best of my knowledge.

Spoiler: Progression (click to show/hide)

As sorta' requested, fairly concrete stats on the animal companions/
sacred mounts templates. Enjoy, yo'.

The template never loses anything, so anything not repeated should be
assumed to carry over to the next level of CR bonus. Any displayed
bonuses are not cumulative -- that is, the +1 HD of +1 CR is not added
to by the +2 HD of +2 CR, rather the higher bonus overwrites the
lower. Generally, the CR increases when you gain a level. Sometimes,
it's every other level, sometimes it's not for a few. Paladins don't
seem to be able to get as high a CR bonus as druids potentially can.

Finally, this could probably all be summized somehow much easier. Oh
well.

NOTES: While testing, noticed a couple of things -- one, for humans,
unicorn was showing up as 'horse'  in the selection menu -- probably
due to low knowledge or something or other. Eh. Secondly, drow are
_boned_ with paladin mounts -- about half of their sacred mounts are
unrideable, and, what's more, the nighthunter, pike, and giant spiders
(the unmountable ones.) all don't even get their sacred creature
template, just the celestial one. That's pretty harsh, yo'. Oh -- and
unlike animal companions, you can't see the sacred mount template in
the selection menu, just the celestial template. Made it harder to
check this all out, heh.

== ANIMAL COMPANION (Druids, Rangers, Perk'd.) ==

+0 CR
Adventurer type.
Regenerates 1hp/round.
Additional 60 ft infravision.

+1 CR
+1 HD, +1 Attack bonus, +1 natural armor, 105% speed.
Woodland stride.
175% movement when not ridden.

+2 CR
+1 to all stats.
+2 HD, +2 BAB, +2 natural armor, 110% natural speed.
Feats: Toughness.
Evasion.

+3 CR
+3 HD, +3 BAB, 115% natural speed.

+4 CR
+2 to all stats.
+4 HD, +4 BAB, +4 natural armor, 120% natural speed.
Feats: Knock Prone.
+4 devotion bonus vs Enchantment

+5 CR
+5 HD, +5 BAB, 125% natural speed.

+6 CR
+3 to all stats.
+6 HD, +6 BAB, +6 natural armor, 130% natural speed.
Feats: Power Attack, Multiattack.

+7 CR
+7 HD, +7 BAB, 135% natural speed.

+8 CR
+4 to all stats.
+8 HD, +8 BAB, +8 natural armor, 140% natural speed.
Feats: Improved Strength.

== SACRED MOUNT (Paladins) == -- Can't seem to manage to get a mount
with a +1 or lower CR bonus. Meh.

+2 CR
+1 Str, Int, Min Int = 6.
+2 HD, +2 BAB, +4 Natural Armor, 110% natural speed.
Beast type.
Evasion.
Magic Fang +1.
Regenerates 1hp/round.
Additional 60 ft. infravision.

+3 CR
+3 HD, BAB, +5 natural armor, 115% natural speed.
Feats: Toughness

+4 CR
+2 Str, Int. Min Int = 7.
+4 HD, +4 BAB, +6 Natural Armor, 150% movement rate, 120% natural
speed.

+5 CR
+3 Str, Int. Min Int = 8.
+5 HD, +5 BAB, +7 Natural Armor, 125% natural speed.
Feats: Trample

+6 CR
+6 HD, +6 BAB, +8 Natural Armor, 130% natural speed.
Innate spells: Command

+7 CR
+7 HD, +7 BAB, +9 Natural Armor, +135% natural speed

Doublepost prevention edit: I just confirmed that perked animal companion stacks with class granted animal companion. This is going to be an interesting run, huhuhuhu...

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Well, I just found out thanks to a fellow Incursion enthusiast that the main site's download link for the Windows version is down. So here's a new mirror for anyone who needs it. Sorry for the bump just figured if people were looking to play this that they'd get a working download.

Also, Tee-minus about a year until Incursion V2 is out, or so says the dev. I still can't wait.

[Korbac]

Cheers Mict, was hoping someone would do that! 

[Seriyu]

Is there any guide for dealing with the inventory screen? I liked the game but the inventory screen was a huge blockade I always had trouble with. 

[Frumple]

Go into options and activate... inventory cursor, or something like that. Don't have a computer that can run Incursion at the mo', so I can't check the exact words. It'll make it so you don't have to type in numbers to get stuff out of containers.

I'd also suggest that you set to the auto pickup to "inventory" and the sort filter wuzzit to quality; the first makes item pickup a lot safer (just put healing/dim door/possibly mana potions in your belt), the second makes seeing what's good to pickup a lot easier, though shields will consistently be misplaced (there's some wonkiness with their enchantment levels and pseudo-ID).

Otherwise, it's mostly just a matter of juggling It's actually fairly intuitive once you get accustomed to it, if not a little inefficient.

Anything specific that was giving you trouble?

[Seriyu]

It's been a while since I played it last so really all I recall is being very confused. I'll download it here in a bit and take a look, presuming it doesn't throw too big a fit about being run on windows 7. Which if I recall correctly may be a long shot.

EDIT: YEAHHH, it was that dang off hand slot. Those option settings seem to have mostly removed it from the picture, so thanks!

[Urist McDonalds]

None of the links that were posted works.
Whatever.
what kind of site posts a broken link for god sake?

[Tyler6498]

None of the links that were posted works.
Whatever.
what kind of site posts a broken link for god sake?

It's not that they posted a broken link, but rather the link they HAD posted broke! Your telling me you would take the time to check the links on your site every 5 minutes just so people wouldn't complain about how awful they are for having a broken url?
Also I got the urls in this thread to work perfectly.

[Frumple]

Could try playing lizardfolk. They pretty much ignore water. Also, remember as you invest you only need DC-5 to prevent drowning -- iirc, the break off points are at five and fifteen (for normal and turbulent, respectively.). Might be five and twenty. Anyway, at that point you don't have to worry about damage. Lastly, remember that armor penalties count double for the purpose of swimming -- sometimes just removing your shield or armor can let you swim without risking damage (from drowning, anyway).

Protection from water also makes non-turbulent water a nonissue.

[Johnfalcon99977]

I started playing this game, and have a very noobish question to ask:

How the hell do I equip a Torch from my inventory? Or anything for the matter. It may seem like a fairly noobish question, but seriously, nothing in the game tells me how to do it!

[Frumple]

See what I mentioned a post or two back, then scroll down the cursor until you hit a torch, hit space to move it to your "in the air" slot, move the cursor back to your light source slot, hit space again.

Without the item cursor, replace "scroll down" with "type in whatever number is besides your torch."

You can replace torch with whatever to equip or move around other junk.

There should be something in the manual about general inventory manipulation, but I forget exactly where and don't have access to an incursion capable computer at th'mo'. E: I think you can hit either ? or F1 while you're in your inventory to pull up a command list, too. But that's a major "I think," heh.

[Johnfalcon99977]

Can you explain it a bit more clearly? I don't completely understand what you are trying to tell me.

I put my Torch back inside my backpack, and I want to retrive my Torch from it. How do I do this?

[Blaze]

Scroll down your backpack list and search for your torch (PageDown/PageUp). While you have an empty "In the air" slot, type in the 2 digit number in front of your torch(01, 14, 33, etc); It should be placed into your floating slot. Then highlight an appropriate slot with the arrow keys and press spacebar to place it there.

Torches can be placed in any "on belt", hand, or shoulder slots, but will only give light if placed in the light slot.

[Kagus]

Alternatively you can turn on the cursor-mode inventory in the options menu and just use the arrow keys the whole way along.  Scroll down past your equipped items into the inventory, find the torch, press space, scroll back up until the cursor is over the slot you want, and press space again.

But yeah, Incursion isn't exactly renowned for its user-friendliness, heh...


Speaking of, I just recently got into mucking around with Incursion again.  Not a whole lot of gaming, mostly just coming up with character ideas and spending hours creating them, as is my way.  I did find some rather interesting combinations though, like for instance just how powerful orcish druids can be thanks to some peculiarities that that particular combo can exploit.

Also did some wizard-modeing and found out that most of the paladins have rather wonked race-specific sacred mount lists.  Most of them can't be ridden, either generally or by that paladin specifically.  And I forget exactly which race it was but one of them actually bugged out and crashed the game if you got to too high a level.

Interestingly, the kobold has one of the best sacred mount selections.  Guess that's just a little extra reward for attempting to play a kobold paladin.


And I'm *still* trying to find an elegant way of making a "use item" character...  Which is to say a character that specializes in using external power sources such as wands, alchemical items, potions etc. in order to adventure around.  Basically just writing a scroll of fireball for yourself and then reading it at someone instead of learning to cast the damn spell as-is.

Needless to say...  A wee bit tricky.  But it opens up some interesting possibilities.  And some new challenges.