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[Iden]

I gave a quick search, but didn't find anything specifically related to this, and I was a tad bit curious. Forgive me if it has already been asked and I missed it somewhere.

I've been trying to determine a rough estimate for the relative length/width/height for tiles, in-game, in feet. What i'm curious about is there any indication towards a potential length/width of rooms? I have my own theory on height that seems to work out just fine. But are tiles considered to be perfectly square? Or not? Any ideas?

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If water can be a maximum of 7/7, my first assumption is that that is feet of water. The tile containing 7/7 water: can hold 7 feet of water -- and currently is holding 7 feet of water. So the room would be 7/7 full: 7/7 = 1 == 100% full. This leads me to deduce that an average room height, in a dwarf fortress is 7ft tall.
 
Another supporting idea is that Dwarves can stand in 4/7 water, but cannot stand in 5/7 water. My estimate for 1/7 being equivalent to 1 foot of water also works here. Let's say an average dwarf is around 5 feet tall (numbers may vary depending on source -- but lets work with ~5). It would be possible for a 5ft person to wade through 4 feet of water, be it possibly uncomfortable. But submerging a 5ft person in 5ft water? Then they need to be able to swim to continue to breathing.

So according to this theory the average height of a tile is approximately 7 feet. Should we assume tiles are considered perfect cubes, and a tile must be 7x7x7? This would certainly account for being able to have multiple items, people, and pets all in one square. What about stockpiles then? More specifically seperated for organization purposes?

One section of wall would then become 7feet thick. That is a lot of wall. This can be a good amont of wall however, especially to keep invaders from busting down walls too easily. Thick walls would be necessary in a fortress. As for siege engines potentially breaking walls -- A layer of 3 walls put together.. 21 feet thick.. should be enough to reinforce walls from being completely destroyed by siege weapons.

So a 7x7x7 cube seems logical to me. Anyone else? Feedback/opinions?

[Random832]

I gave a quick search, but didn't find anything specifically related to this, and I was a tad bit curious. Forgive me if it has already been asked and I missed it somewhere.

I've been trying to determine a rough estimate for the relative length/width/height for tiles, in-game, in feet. What i'm curious about is there any indication towards a potential length/width of rooms? I have my own theory on height that seems to work out just fine. But are tiles considered to be perfectly square? Or not? Any ideas?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If water can be a maximum of 7/7, my first assumption is that that is feet of water. The tile containing 7/7 water: can hold 7 feet of water -- and currently is holding 7 feet of water. So the room would be 7/7 full: 7/7 = 1 == 100% full. This leads me to deduce that an average room height, in a dwarf fortress is 7ft tall.
 
Another supporting idea is that Dwarves can stand in 4/7 water, but cannot stand in 5/7 water. My estimate for 1/7 being equivalent to 1 foot of water also works here. Let's say an average dwarf is around 5 feet tall (numbers may vary depending on source -- but lets work with ~5). It would be possible for a 5ft person to wade through 4 feet of water, be it possibly uncomfortable. But submerging a 5ft person in 5ft water? Then they need to be able to swim to continue to breathing.

So according to this theory the average height of a tile is approximately 7 feet. Should we assume tiles are considered perfect cubes, and a tile must be 7x7x7? This would certainly account for being able to have multiple items, people, and pets all in one square. What about stockpiles then? More specifically seperated for organization purposes?

One section of wall would then become 7feet thick. That is a lot of wall. This can be a good amont of wall however, especially to keep invaders from busting down walls too easily. Thick walls would be necessary in a fortress. As for siege engines potentially breaking walls -- A layer of 3 walls put together.. 21 feet thick.. should be enough to reinforce walls from being completely destroyed by siege weapons.

So a 7x7x7 cube seems logical to me. Anyone else? Feedback/opinions?

I think tiles are taller than they are wide. Maybe, say, 5 feet wide, 7 feet high. (also, how thick are floors?)

[Iden]

I think tiles are taller than they are wide. Maybe, say, 5 feet wide, 7 feet high. (also, how thick are floors?)

Floors? Floors as in....

• the area between two Z-Levels constituting the ground dwarves walk on?

I really have no idea. It would need to be thick enough to support what is on top of it. It would need to be at least a foot or two thick, perhaps more, but i'm not sure.

• floors that you place down on top of existing groundwork?

Well, I picture flooring as being much as it is today, just simply tiles or planks placed ontop of floor -- so an inch or two at best probably.

[MagicJuggler]

The problem with making any volume equivalencies is that tiles are effectively pocket-dimensions of their own. Through use of dumps/pits/etc, one can effectively throw an infinite number of objects in the same pile...unless Toady decides to create a system for garbage heaps...which admittedly would be awesome.

[Tormy]

Wait what? There is no tile size in DF right now. You cannot calculate it at all. Just think, 1 tile can hold unlimited number of megabeasts. So what are we talking about?

[Terbert]

I think tiles are taller than they are wide. Maybe, say, 5 feet wide, 7 feet high. (also, how thick are floors?)

If tiles were taller then they were wide carts would have a hard time using ramps.

[JoRo]

I think tiles are taller than they are wide. Maybe, say, 5 feet wide, 7 feet high. (also, how thick are floors?)

If tiles were taller then they were wide carts would have a hard time using ramps.

If tiles were taller than ~1/5 their height, carts would have a hard time using ramps.  I've learned to simply accept tiles as an abstraction.

[mythmonster2]

Course, there's always the problem of the infinite hyperspace storage cube known as a cage, not to mention this means that the maximum amount of dwarves on a tile (I believe this is 3) are the same size as a bronze colossus with 20 dwarves wrestling it simultaneously.

[sbr]

Someone had a brilliant response to a similar question, probably a year ago, shortly after the introduction of Z levels.  My answer is based on a very vague memory of that.

A tile is 1 Dwarfometer(Dm) in width, 1 Dwarfometer in depth and 1 Dwarfometer in height, making the volume of said tile 1 Dm³

[Iden]

Someone had a brilliant response to a similar question, probably a year ago, shortly after the introduction of Z levels.  My answer is based on a very vague memory of that.

A tile is 1 Dwarfometer(Dm) in width, 1 Dwarfometer in depth and 1 Dwarfometer in height, making the volume of said tile 1 Dm³

Now... normally I would be forced to shut my mouth and simply say "You win, good sir."

However. I was looking for the "relative" size of tiles. Sure its all good and swell, the size of a tile is relative to 1 Dm³.

But what is 1 Dm³ relative to in feet?

That's what I was looking for. Though I must say: Very awesome answer, sir.

[Tormy]

1 tile is "full" when it holds 7/7 water. so...
Perhaps take a look at this thread:

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=1906.0

[Kidiri]

Since you estimate a Dwarf 5' tall and Dwarves are of size 6 according to the raws, 1 foot is 1.2 size-units (su) and 1 su is 0.8333... feet. If you take a block as 7' by 7' by 7', it's about 8.4 su high. This is obviously not high enough to hold a Titan (20 su or 16.666...'), or even a Minotaur (9 su or 7.5').

This is why I prefer to look upon a block as a quantum cube. It can hold as little as a seed to basically everything in the world. Literally.

[Keolah]

A tile is as wide as a kitten's whisker, as long as a dragon's tail, and as high as a pile of 10,000 pieces of stone.

[Soadreqm]

How many angels can dance in the food stockpile?

[sbr]

Now... normally I would be forced to shut my mouth and simply say "You win, good sir."

However. I was looking for the "relative" size of tiles. Sure its all good and swell, the size of a tile is relative to 1 Dm³.

But what is 1 Dm³ relative to in feet?

That's what I was looking for. Though I must say: Very awesome answer, sir.

What I , and other are pointing out is that there is no set relative size.  An empty tile can hold, depending on how it is stacked, anywhere between 1 single seed and all of the items on earth.

The stone you get when mining out said tile is enough to build either three earrings, or the entire workshop you need to build said earrings.