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Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« on: October 29, 2008, 03:02:15 pm »

I thought this was interesting, from Orson Scott Card:

Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights? -- An open letter to the local daily paper -- almost every local daily paper in America:  I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism.  You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.  This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere.  It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.   It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.   What is a risky loan?  It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.   

"The goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups.  But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay?  They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.   They end up worse off than before.   This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it.  One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules.  The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.   Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. 

"(Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me.  It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)   Isn't there a story here?  Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout?  Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?   I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal.  'Housing-gate,' no doubt.  Or 'Fannie-gate.' 

"Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.  As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay ... 'Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago.  So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President.  So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury.'   These are facts.  This financial crisis was completely preventable.  The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was the Democratic Party. 

"The party that tried to prevent it was the Republican Party.   Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie.  Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!   What?  It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?   Now let's follow the money right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.   And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing. 

"If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.   But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an 'adviser' to the Obama campaign -- because that campaign had sought his advice -- you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.   You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.  If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

"If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.   There are precedents.  Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension -- so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link.  (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)   If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.   

"Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth.  That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.   But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans.  You have trained the American people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.   If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth -- even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.   Because that's what honorable people do.  Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences.  That's what honesty means.  That's how trust is earned.   

"Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one.  He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time -- and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.   Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter -- while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.   So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all," in journalism, left? "Do you even know what honesty means?   Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?   You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. 

"Who listens to NOW anymore?  We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.   That's where you are right now.   It's not too late.  You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.   If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.   Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.   

"You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis.  You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.   This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.   If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe -- and vote as if -- President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie. ...  You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
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Re: Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 04:46:02 pm »

That was a nice read, even if I did know it already.

Now I need to go buy some of his books.  ;D
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Re: Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 06:00:00 pm »

Orson Scott Card now officially rules, even if nothing was learned.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 06:01:52 pm »

I didn't read the whole thing but I generally don't bother with any rant that involves bitching about how the media is so biased toward the left or the right or whatever
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Re: Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 06:05:58 pm »

Holy crap he is a whiny asshole. I mean, I knew he was a totally crazy, homophobic right-winger, but this...
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 06:06:42 pm »

Orson Scott Card now officially rules, even if nothing was learned.

Well according to the polls, a lot of people could learn something.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 06:08:41 pm »

Holy crap he is a whiny asshole. I mean, I knew he was a totally crazy, homophobic right-winger, but this... man.



Actually Card identifies himself as a Democrat, according to Wikipedia.
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Re: Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 06:11:01 pm »

This is just further proof that because your name means something, you don't always know something. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2008, 06:17:57 pm »

I love his books, but long ago I learned to ignore everything else he says.  90% of this is empty venom toward the Democrats and the media.  For the other 10%, I have a present for you all.

Actually Card identifies himself as a Democrat, according to Wikipedia.

While technically true, this is a gross misrepresentation of his personal beliefs, even according to his Wikipedia page.  Whether he is crazy is subjective, but he's endorsed the Republicans for the last 4 years. I can't do his views on homosexuality justice, but I can tell you he is most definitely a homophobe.
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Re: Orson Scott Card's take on recent politics
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 06:24:14 pm »

OSC is a rightwing hack.  Oh wait sorry, I meant to say centrist visionary who can't be defined by our narrow political spectrum.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fell because they made loans to poor people?  Like hell.  Those companies were vastly overleverged.  Complex financial packaging did far more damage then loans to the poor.

And blaming this on the dems is just freaking stupid.  The Federal government did not have the oversight to intervene.  If anyone in government can be blamed it's Regan.

OSC makes typical right wing whining about the media bias.  Way to make be fair and balanced.

The current banking crises is without a doubt the most complex financial problem in the history of the human race.  But Orson Scott Card reduces it to a few simple, ideologically guided accusations.  Here's a hint: Your not helping!

OSC suffers from the arrogant belief that he is the only man in the world with a pair of eyes to read and a brain to think.  Were he in a position of accountability, his radically nationalist, homophobic and racist views would be exposed for what they were.  But because he's an author he's allowed to be crazier then Lyndon LaRouche and get a free pass.

Edit:  When I asked a friend of mine who's familiar with Card's views to predict his opinion on this crises he was able to guess every single one of Card's talking points except for blaming the blacks (sorry, I mean "poor") in the span of 15 seconds.  Predictable much?
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 06:34:50 pm »

Holy crap he is a whiny asshole. I mean, I knew he was a totally crazy, homophobic right-winger, but this... man.



Actually Card identifies himself as a Democrat, according to Wikipedia.

Eh, political parties shouldn't matter when debating politics of this kind, though korora makes the best statement concerning the topic.

He's got it wrong, though. There may be apparent bias towards a certain political party for each network (i.e. Fox = Conservative | MSNBC = Liberal), but the whole idea is pretty naive. Can you really imagine a group of network producers huddling around a candle in a storage room scheming up ways to portray the opposing party as bloodthirsty mongrels?

 I mean, of course they filter what they present, but it's aimed to collect ratings, not to smear a candidate. Fox news has chosen a specific niche of viewers to carve out a cave in, same with MSNBC. I can certainly imagine that the separate studios have a general bias towards a candidate, but all in all it's for the ratings, not for the election.

Just before you go and assume I'm a itsy bitsy dem who's whining about people whining about the turning media bias, I feel it's an absolutely horrible idea to get you political info off the major news networks.

Of course, most of the U.S. has little self-thought regulation, and needs to be fed bull daily to keep living.

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This is just further proof that because your name means something, you don't always know something. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2008, 06:52:12 pm »

I can't do his views on homosexuality justice, but I can tell you he is most definitely a homophobe.

Can I try?

Orson Scott Card argued that Gay Marriage was a serious enough threat to civil liberties that he would consider the US government his "mortal enemy" and would support revolt against said government.  But he's totally not a homophobe, after all, he said so himself.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 04:32:12 pm »

Dude. This guy is a sci-fi writer. He write sci-fi books. That's it.

Do we suddenly inquire in the political beliefs of Toady One, and start panicking and flaming if Today One believes strangely? Do we suddenly get angry when our shoe-shiner states that he's a Communist battling against Capitalistic Oppression? Must you boycott buying American-made toys because you are against the evil Labor Unions who lean Democratic?

We shouldn't care what people's personal political beliefs are! We should only care of how they assist your welfare. If Bob wants to sell me lemonade, I'd buy that lemonade and thank him for it, regardless of if Bob is a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc.

...Oh, topic? Yeah.

Mr. Card's Republican rant is nice, because I share his political views. I dislike many of his books though, so his political ideologies isn't going to affect my low esteem of him. :)
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 04:33:37 pm »

Toady One does not presume himself a political visionary.  OSC does.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 04:34:24 pm »

So OSC has a big ego. I usually assume that's the norm for sci-fi writers though (with maybe the exception of Vonnegut).

How should that affect a person's view?
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