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Author Topic: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?  (Read 7265 times)

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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2009, 03:17:43 pm »

No superawesomeheug ants, please. We have orks for that.

I want to see a massing army that carries away dwarves to their hive, chains them up and kills them/eats them, in sheer numbers.

IMHO, you should make them brooding and cunning, so they don't attack in large numbers, but send their best and sneakiest soldiers to tunnel into your bedrooms/dining rooms to slaughter, and retreat, caving in their tunnel as they retreat. BRING BACK CAVE-INS!
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2009, 03:43:46 pm »

I agree that these guys can really only be done properly as a huge mob with the sole advantage of numbers.

I like the idea of meeting an elephant in the caverns, though. Might be nice to have that as a tamed monster of theirs' rather than a caste.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2009, 03:50:09 pm »

How about antmen not being a single entity, but a large structure made of ants, who are like individual cells in a human body. In battle, they become hundreds of thousands small ants -swarming over anyone/thing. They simply use the ant-man form as a method of faster travel.
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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2009, 04:42:22 pm »

heres a drawing I did of an antman, based on their appearance in the raws
(it says they have four arms and two legs)

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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2009, 10:28:43 am »

OH SNAP.

That's awesome.
You have changed the way I visualize ant-man invasions.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2009, 11:38:02 am »

In light of that awesome/terrifying picture, it's worth remembering that Antmen are smaller than Kobolds.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2009, 12:56:14 pm »

The antmen should perhaps develop special "smart" ants through genetic or learning means. They would spend most of their time inspecting and researching objects like books and weapons from other races and therefore be highly intelligent, around dwarf-level. Hives with sufficient knowledge about a language can use the smart-ants as traders (perhaps some sort of honey or maybe even slaves they've gathered) or liasons if the hive is peaceful.

I think there should be several types of antmen. Regular ones would hunt regularily and be mostly agressive, but if you ask and bring them gifts, stop attacking you. Leafcutters would cut down trees, drag them into the hive and cultivate mushrooms. A trade route would be made if you sent out a negotiator party.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2009, 02:36:01 pm »

Fault, that picture is great.  Of course, antmen would need greater size to have that imposing effect, but I'm sure it can be done.

Hmm, now is not a good time to be a soft, fleshy snail.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2009, 04:08:13 pm »

Genetic memory?
If you have played the space game, "Sword Of The Stars", the insectoid race in that game is said to have a kind of genetic memory-
when one of their race dies, their memories and experiences are removed from their corpse and placed inside a larva, or something to that effect.
It would be a cool idea, having special workers in an antman colony that did that.
Like, the one antman that dodged EVERY trap by pure luck before getting the axe, literally, and another antman could have that very same ability, and the power to not get killed by that silver axe trap that crunched his predecessor. Then they get smushed into fine powder by that rockfall trap.
So on and so forth.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2009, 05:06:07 pm »

So they'd sortof sacrifice themselves to prevent future antmen from meeting the same fate in the trap?  Cool.
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2009, 05:37:59 pm »

I think I've posted this before, but here it is anyways:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/deborah_gordon_digs_ants.html

Ants are a lot like dwarves.
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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2009, 09:05:02 am »

what, you mean they dont look like this:

http://www.boblayton.com/Art%20Gallery/Art%20Gallery%2011/mp.antman47.jpg



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Re: Xenobiology! How do antmen work?
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2009, 12:43:29 am »

This "genetic memory" sounds familiar... Anyone read the Dune books? Remember how the Reverend Mothers would "absorb" the memories of all their predecessors? I think the genetic memory sounds not only cool, but fitting.
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2009, 01:15:33 am »

Genetic memory is probably partly a misnomer... it implies that specific memories are passed on through the generations. I don't think anybody believes that this happens.

But there's something going on. There is some way that behaviors are passed along through the genetic code - behaviors that are specific to species, that help them survive and communicate... All cats wash themselves the same way, even if they're raised in isolation from other cats. Where did they learn this? Snakes know how to grab onto, constrict, and then swallow prey. That's a complex sequence for a fairly dumb animal! Bees have a sophisticated, almost over-complex dance that informs other bees where to find flowers... it's based on distance, location of the sun, and other factors. They're born understanding it. Human babies know how to suckle (well, most of them, and without modern medicine the ones that don't would simply die off). The examples are infinite, ranging from the simplistic to the complex.

Somehow creatures are born with some sort of hard-coded behavior... there is some sort of way for behavior to be encoded into DNA and passed down to future generations. We have absolutely no comprehension of this mechanism. We know it happens, but how it happens is a complete mystery. Some of the information passed on this way is ridiculously complex.


Closer to the subject at hand... ants are simplistic, idiotic creatures. They march around in pre-programmed ways (programmed how???), doing tasks, going about their business for the hive... But they exhibit startling complexity as a group. Some people call this a hive mind... but again I think that's a misnomer. I don't think there's any sort of telepathy going on or anything like that.

Think of it this way. When life was evolving, the first "multicellular" creatures were simply colonies of genetically identical cells. For some reason or another, they survived better when they were stuck together in a mass instead of floating around individually. Maybe they could stick to and devour larger chunks of food or something. But eventually, individual cells in these colonies started specializing. Some specialized in absorbing food, some on delivering nutrients to other cells, some were devoted to reproducing... Each cell alone is totally brainless - but together they sort of come together to form a level of complexity that is greater than its individual components.

I think social insects are just another degree of complexity of this exact same concept - except instead of being composed of individual cells, the "creature" is actually composed of individual multicellular creatures. Like the cells of primitive multicellular organisms, they each contribute a specific task. They locate food, nurture the young, defend the colony, reproduce, farm, herd, hunt... and so on. Individually they are dumb, chitinous lumps of protein. But together, they form a complex system that is not unlike a unique order of creature in its own right. It still has very little "mind" to speak of - which is one reason I don't like the term "hive mind." But perhaps, as a larger entity, it carries on its own set of genetic memories, just like the more complex, more intelligent "non-hive" individual animals? It "knows" to create reproducers in certain proportions to food gatherers, how to build and layout a complex series of tunnels (most ant species have a specific layout they follow -- some are extraordinarily complex, with spiral structures, vents to allow fresh air in and waste air out, and so on), to breed extra soldiers after fighting off an attack... simple things, but things no individual ant actually knows.
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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2009, 01:28:30 am »


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