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[Core Xii]

My 3 miners are just standing still in the basement they just dug, and I see no valid reason why they couldn't get out. The ramps they dug just a minute ago are right there, yet they're dying of thirst down there.

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[kaypy]

Those ramps dont go anywhere.

For a ramp to work, it needs to be adjacent to a wall with walkable space atop it:

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While your ramps are adjacent to walls, the landing is blocked off by more rock.

Try either digging out certain of the walls, or making some walls:

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#...####      ########
#======#      #......#
#======#      #......#
#======#  or  ###..###
#======#      #.^#.v #
#======#      #^....v#
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#.v..^.#     
#v....^#     
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[TheDeadlyShoe]

Ah dammit.  I knew I forgot something.

[Core Xii]

Holy crap, I had no idea ramps were that detailed! Guess stairs would fit the bill here?

I don't understand why ramps need a wall next to them. It makes no sense. You can build an entire tower supported by a single tile of... hell, SOAP, yet you can't build a simple ramp without such pointless support?

[kaypy]

Yeah, they are kinda tricky till you know the secret...

As to why they are that way, I suspect it comes down to controls:
Consider adventurer mode. When going up slopes, you dont want to have to hit climb each time when you are just walking up a hill. So in order to go up/down ramps, it needs to work out where you are going simply based on your directional choice. Thus, to correctly select a new level, it must be the only option for that direction.

Now make characters you dont directly control follow the same rules, and you pretty much have the situation we see in DF.

[Draco18s]

I don't understand why ramps need a wall next to them.

Not the best picture, but...


The upper ramp isn't valid, because there's nothing to hold it up (so to speak).  If it were a wall then the lower ramp wouldn't work because there's no place to stand once used.

[Core Xii]

I just wonder what prevents them from doing this:

[Neoskel]

The wall is needed so that the games knows which way the ramp is facing. Ramps 'run up' the side of any walls they're adjacent to, including diagonally. So the upper ramp in

would be 'facing' the two walls diagonal to it and could be walked up.

[Draco18s]

I just wonder what prevents them from doing this:

If I knew, I wouldn't be posting.

(Also: the original image the ramp is technically valid due to two diagonal walls adjacent to it).

[eerr]

the ramps have to be built second

[Cavalcadeofcats]

You, sir, are confused.

[Tormy]

Am I the only one who ignores ramps and builds stairs only? 

[Derakon]

Ramps are important for getting caravans access to underground depots, but otherwise they're generally not worth the effort.

[Core Xii]

I like ramps better because they have more intuitive symbols. Up arrow is up, down arrow is down, rather than the weird left and right arrows of the stairs. Can never tell which way they really go.

[Calessa Lynn Orphiel]

It's a staple from Rogue-likes.  Also, ramps kinda limit your architectural design options, stairs really don't have the limitations...