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[Jiri Petru]

I think: proper livestock and manure first. Dwarf feces second, and probably a lot later. It doesn't add that much to the game. I'm not disgusted, It's just that I'd rather see some big details (wars, politics, kingdoms!) instead of going deeper to smaller ones.

Livestock and manure would, however, add a lot to the game. You'd have to keep the livestock outside... where it could be stolen. This leads fluently to a new type of ambush - cattle raid! I think that, and other things that force your dwarves to leave the fort, would fit nicely in the upcoming siege improvements.

[Morrigi]

I think: proper livestock and manure first. Dwarf feces second, and probably a lot later. It doesn't add that much to the game. I'm not disgusted, It's just that I'd rather see some big details (wars, politics, kingdoms!) instead of going deeper to smaller ones.

Livestock and manure would, however, add a lot to the game. You'd have to keep the livestock outside... where it could be stolen. This leads fluently to a new type of ambush - cattle raid! I think that, and other things that force your dwarves to leave the fort, would fit nicely in the upcoming siege improvements.

Or, you could put the cattle underground, and end up suffocating your dwarves with cow farts. 

[xdarkcodex]

I think: proper livestock and manure first. Dwarf feces second, and probably a lot later. It doesn't add that much to the game. I'm not disgusted, It's just that I'd rather see some big details (wars, politics, kingdoms!) instead of going deeper to smaller ones.

Livestock and manure would, however, add a lot to the game. You'd have to keep the livestock outside... where it could be stolen. This leads fluently to a new type of ambush - cattle raid! I think that, and other things that force your dwarves to leave the fort, would fit nicely in the upcoming siege improvements.

Or, you could put the cattle underground, and end up suffocating your dwarves with cow farts. 

Oh no...that puts a bad smell in my mind.

[Morrigi]

Hey, hey, i forgot the best part. You have to open up the magma pipe as the methane seeps through your fortress...

Edit: clarity

[Felblood]

I'm all for seeing war and politics, etc. come first, but someday, I want to see these features.

I think there might be some merit to the idea that manure should come before sewers, but there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved before we can have dwarves shoveling manure. Hauling, stacking and quantum dumps stand in the way of making this playable, and making it look right.

[Kaelem Gaen]

Though I voted for three different things on the voting thing, I'd also like to state my support for this idea.

Considering toady himself has stated one of his ideas for DF is to go for the Most complex, and realistic fantasy life simulator.  And Urination (and it's use in industry) as well as defecation (same as before) are definitely realistic.

(though one does wonder how a Fantasy life simulator can be realistic.)

Though it should be an Init option otherwise people will complain (Oh who am I kidding people will complain anyways, specially if they don't check the .ini before loading up.)

Though it should come after some of the other stuff, like I'd like to see Trading fixed up, and the Life Cycles arc (was that the one where characters could grow up after WorldGen?)

[Hungry]

If these thing are ever put in...and the likelyness is that they wont...the init SHOULD start with it disabled.

[tylor]

I think that building realy effective plumbing would be as, if not more interesting, than constructing just another dull goblin pancake maker, or some useless, but supposedly cool-looking cyclopic structure.

As well as making fortress properly lit and ventilated...

[praguepride]

Because laughing at your dwarves living in their own poopie is going to be hilarious at all points of the game 

I thought Toady said that biological functions like this would never be in the game?

[NW_Kohaku]

Because laughing at your dwarves living in their own poopie is going to be hilarious at all points of the game 

I thought Toady said that biological functions like this would never be in the game?

What? But I thought this game was supposed to be REALISTIC?!  How are we supposed to model conservation of matter NOW, when we have crops with mass being consumed by dwarves that never excrete?!  [/sarcasm]

[Silverionmox]

Because laughing at your dwarves living in their own poopie is going to be hilarious at all points of the game 

If you can only think of toilet humour when faced with feces, the joke's on you I'm afraid.. :p

I thought Toady said that biological functions like this would never be in the game?

Vomit is already there. No one is offended about that, although it's certainly more disgusting than manure. Furthermore, "digestive tract lesson" etc. A good proposal might always convince.

[Phmcw]

Anyway, we should be aware that it will only matter with large setlement. A few dwarf can use dry toilet easily. And it won't be too hard to do basically : a trench, a reservoir and a stack of pump is ellaborate enought, once water pusing oject is implemented.
But what I want is the opportunity to make huge sewer, filled by outcast, smugler and monster, and have the surprise, latter on, to find a kobold camp in my sewer, living on our waster and stealing our stuff.
That would be awesome.
Wich leave us with a new sugession : squaters.

[tylor]

Well, to encourage building real deal sewage we need
1. Matter preservation (i.e. no atom smashing, etc). And probably no fortification-holes-to-the-end-of-the-world too.
2. Grease/grit/tree roots etc that occasionally appear in the sewage, so there is need for a walkable path near sewer flow itself.
3. Probably more dwarves. Though I think that even 200 dwarves can provide a lot of digestion products if they put their mind to it.

[NW_Kohaku]

What true dorf lets raw material like this go to waste?!  Remember our slogan:

Use your dorf-byproducts to the utmost,
Support your fortress's efforts to compost!

We need compost workshops that allow us to seed fungal growth or worms that would convert solid waste into fertilizer.

We also need ammonia as a cleaning product for clothing, produced from distilled urine!

[xdarkcodex]

I thought this thread was dead but okay.

We could like make a big pile and burn our waste.Like in the Simpsons tire fire pile thingy that never stops burning.