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[Tiny]

I'm in favour of this, as sewage management is an important and interesting part of any (healthy) setllement.

Also..

Flushing Toilets are outside of the time frame limitations as they are less then 200 years old.

Flushing toilets and sewer systems date back to at least 2500BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flush_toilet

[Andeerz]

Which makes it a good init option

Actually, not really.  All of the on/off gameplay options we have now are for things that aren't fun as they are because they are incomplete.  Economy (and rent), caveins (unrealistic, as a single tile can support mountains), temperature and weather (very little effect, high CPU), invaders (quickly become a minor annoyance if dealt with efficiently and merely supply large piles of essentially worthless items (see economy)), and artifacts (which have little benefit above normal items).

I don't see how what you said makes it not a good init option.

[Draco18s]

Which makes it a good init option

Actually, not really.  All of the on/off gameplay options we have now are for things that aren't fun as they are because they are incomplete.  Economy (and rent), caveins (unrealistic, as a single tile can support mountains), temperature and weather (very little effect, high CPU), invaders (quickly become a minor annoyance if dealt with efficiently and merely supply large piles of essentially worthless items (see economy)), and artifacts (which have little benefit above normal items).

I don't see how what you said makes it not a good init option.

Things we have as init options now are based on features that are incomplete and therefore a hassle (such as the economy being unbalanced) and others are for reducing computational complexity.

Where does bodily waste fall?

Incomplete or High CPU Cycles?

[Andeerz]

Well, what if a feature in the future is both complete and a hassle?  And/or what if said feature is fun to some people and not others?

So what if feces and urine falls under either high CPU or incompleteness or whatever.  It would be an init option that you could turn off until it (if ever) becomes a feature you would like in your individualized DF experience.  I still don't see how what you say makes feces and urine a good or bad init option.

[Footkerchief]

Things we have as init options now are based on features that are incomplete and therefore a hassle (such as the economy being unbalanced) and others are for reducing computational complexity.

This is irrelevant.  Toady has spoken positively in the past about implementing controversial features, such as gunpowder, as init options.

In light of how many people would dislike even a "friendly" implementation of feces/urine, it should unambiguously be an init option (or maybe worldgen parameter), and I say that as a supporter of having feces/urine in the game.

Perhaps there could be two kinds of solution for sewer management, one of them could involve "fillable" toilets/latrines, which would eventually overflow, and would need to be emptied by dwarves that work in sewage using buckets, and dumped somewhere to decompose or flow away,

Yeah, chamberpots.  If the only way to deal with feces was with an elaborate sewer system, obviously that'd be a lousy feature, both from a gameplay standpoint and a historical standpoint.  Various cultures have had myriad methods for dealing with waste and it would be cool to have a reason to make use of those methods in DF.

[xdarkcodex]

I would love to make nobles clean out the chamberpots with the help of dwarf therapist.

[o_O[WTFace]]

Call it "waste" which dorfs put into the sewage system using "waste receptacle" buildings and everyone can imagine that to be whatever they want, goblin chunks, leftover stone bits, poop, whatever.   

[Pilsu]

Actually, not really.  All of the on/off gameplay options we have now are for things that aren't fun as they are because they are incomplete.  Economy (and rent), caveins (unrealistic, as a single tile can support mountains), temperature and weather (very little effect, high CPU), invaders (quickly become a minor annoyance if dealt with efficiently and merely supply large piles of essentially worthless items (see economy)), and artifacts (which have little benefit above normal items).

I think even you noticed that your argument stretched to the breaking point about halfway through

A better argument would be the question of how to handle tanning urine needs if dwarves don't urinate. Naturally simply removing the requirement of a bucket of urine for the job would solve it but whether init options stretch to that is a good question.


Hmm, should the urine be consumed by the labor or would the bucket be built into the workshop?

[Sutremaine]

Hmm, should the urine be consumed by the labor or would the bucket be built into the workshop?

Build it into the workshop and have dwarves refill it as they pop by. Two buildings for the price of one!

[Silverionmox]

Hmm, should the urine be consumed by the labor or would the bucket be built into the workshop?

Build it into the workshop and have dwarves refill it as they pop by. Two buildings for the price of one!

In the middle ages, tanners would place a bucket near the entrance of their workshop and kids would hang around and pee in it for a copper.

[Arrkhal]

That reminds me of something.  There was a recipe for basically a jello mold in the middle ages, which included children's urine in the recipe.  Apparently, that was the only way to get it a particular shade of green.  That really doesn't need to be in the game though, bleagh.

Actually, wait.  Only nobles were both rich enough and cracked enough to eat that, so it should be in the game.  Feeding nobles stuff made with kids' urine?  Hell yes.

Another use for urine would be at the forge.  It has been historically used as a quenching medium for particular steels which need a very fast, harsh quench.

[alfie275]

Perhaps sewage could also be made if dwarves start bathing? Either a room type bath like Romans had or a metal tube with a pipe leading of to the sewers and a water (or magma if its a noble) pipe leading into it.

[xdarkcodex]

Deleted post because of godwins law.

[Draco18s]

You could make like a concentration camps with the gas showers.

I'm calling "Godwin's Law" and quitting this thread.

[xdarkcodex]

Whats Godwin's Law?