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[SeanTucker]

This is, in theory, a good idea. You don't need to carefully block off refuse, as miasma isn't generated outside. You also can control the amount of stone you get, which is useful for obvious reasons.

This is, in practice, a god-awful idea. If you want all your dorfs to have housing, you have to spend years building them walls and whatnot, plus you'll end up having ridiculous amounts of wood instead from clearing out forested areas. Plus, it's a pain in the ass to defend.

[sweitx]

Which is why most people opted for the half and half version.  A well secured and small above ground fortress for rotting refuses and farming (and some waterworks + power generation).  While the housing are build underground.

You get rid of stone making said fortress.

[Blacken]

It doesn't take THAT much to build outside. I build them all the time.

[Qloos]

I was just about to make a thread about an outdoor fortress I started, but I'll post here instead.

I'm 15days days into my "fortress" and CURSES!!!



I intelligently started by placing my stockpiles in the middle of a flood plain.  I am GENIUS.

Edit: Aaarrggg, it's flooding from the north as well!  This is an outrage!

[Jintor]

I didn't even know it COULD flood. This is awesome.

[Qloos]

What happens when a tree is submerged in water?

[Dogman]

It dies.

[Duke 2.0]

 But only when in 7/7 for long periods of time.

 I had a fortress like that once. I decided to make the flood come faster and kill 'em off before the LEGION of carp and the numerous platoons of hippos kill 'em all.

[Kanil]

Go, go, gigantic city wall project!

I love above ground building.

[Axe27]

Hahahaha! That sucks dude. Better watch out for the carp legion that will destroy you when it arrives. I hope you built your walls strong?

[ArdentPenguin]

Yeah, I feel like this is sort of a bug. It happened to me once at the point where a minor river emptied into a major river by waterfall. The minor river actually caused the major river to slowly overflow and flood everything up to the level of the minor river (which was, luckly, only 1 level up). It takes a while to happen, but it really doesn't make any sense.

Still, some great opportunities and challenges once you realize what's going on. How fast can you get up a dam?

[andrea]

gigantic city wall? you are doing it wrong! gigantic city-tower is the way to do it! if you have over 10000 logs for the floors of course.
(yes, i am doing it. i made only half of the first floor and i already cut half of the map. maybe wooden floors weren't a good idea.)
also, a tower isn't hard to defend. lock the door, you are safe.
if you manage to finish the first floors soon.
but a small wall will help greatly

[numerobis]

What's hard about defense with an outdoor fortress?  Soon's you have a wall, you're golden.

[Skizelo]

Sealing off the refuse dump takes one door, what are you talking about?
Basically, a lot of my guys have cave adaptation.

[Yanlin]

Stupid humans.