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[Iituem]

After reading this discussion, I decided to publish a very minor mod for the sake of balancing out farming a little.  You can download it here.

Installation

1.  Back up the matgloss_plant.txt file in your dwarffort/raw/objects folder in case of unforeseen complications.

2.  Download file to your dwarffort/raw/objects folder, overwriting the existing file.

3.  ?!?

4.  Profit!


Changes

The main aim of the mod is to correct the more grievous imbalances (tee hee) in the current food system.  To this effect:

• Growth times have been adjusted to seasonal, biannual or annual for most plants, certain weeds and fungi grow faster.  Only plump helmets retain their old growth rates.
• All underground flora now grows at all seasons, longland grass cannot grow in winter, sun berries only grow in summer.
• Food has been balanced by value per year, not per item.  Generally, overland crops are worth more than underground crops for the land they use up, but harvest less often.  As a result, overland crops are now worth significantly more per item.
• Brewing has been balanced such that there is an overall profit on raw items for brewing, but where the plant can be eaten raw this no longer vastly exceeds the raw value.  All drinks are now worth less per unit than the plants used to make them (but there is a general profit).
• Similarly, plant extraction is now fixed for sweet pods - five units of dwarven syrup are worth slightly less than one bag of sugar, exchanging value for versatility.
• With the above in mind, plants have been calibrated such that some are best used raw in cooking, some are best brewed for liquor, milling generally yields a greater value overall compared to brewing (but brewing produces more items) where the choice exists, and some are quick-growing at the expense of overall value.
• For a full explanation and description, check the calculations in the raws.

By and large you will get less profit growing underground plants but they have the advantages of multiple z-level growth and can be grown under freezing biomes.  Generally underground plants will produce more often than surface plants and so are good for bulk production.

Overall, surface plants are superior in value but less frequent than subterranean plants, and the three 'special' plants produce the best economic value but two of them only fruit once a year and the third sacrifices quality for absurdly fast production.  The 'best' plants for purely economic value are probably the two fibrous plants due to the massive value multipliers that can apply to cloth.  Caveat ludor:  Both make very poor liquor and rather less frequently than other plants.  Be cautious if you plan on using these as a staple crop now.

Only vanilla plants have been used, so theoretically these may integrate into an existing game without too much difficulty (although your fort value might skyrocket when it recalculates the value of your food stocks).  For safety's sake, gen a new world when you try this module out.

Cheeses have not been altered, those are contained in the creature files.  Additionally, given the difficulty of extracting dwarven milk and in comparison to the new prices, this is not as much of a problem.  Mastercrafted roasts still are, however, so proceed as ever with caution.


Potential Issues

• The plants have been calibrated such that most will take at least twice the field space they used to require to attain the same number of plants, but some still produce at only slightly less than their old rates.  Plump helmets produce at their old rates but have had their values altered to compensate.  Hide roots and sliver barbs now grow much faster than before at the price of value, but there is a chance this may prove unbalanced.  Caveat ludor.
• The median value of plants has been increased slightly on the overall scale and vastly on the individual plants (strawberries are now practically a luxury good) but variance has been decreased dramatically.  In layman's terms, things are generally worth more, but there is less wild variation in prices.  You can no longer produce 25¤ of sunshine from 1¤ of sun berries, harvesting them seven times a year (for a wonderfully broken total value of 175¤ per tile per year, but nothing to the 700¤ a year in dwarven syrup).  At those rates, why ever plant anything else other than dye and pigtails?  Still, the long-term effects of this rebalance is not yet known, so proceed with caution.
• One potential effect is that food as an item will grow more expensive, even though food as an industry is now worth less.  There is a chance that you may not actually be able to feed people after the economy sets in, so I advise keeping a bit of raw rat weed and plump helmet on hand for that.

I have not had the time to playtest this extensively yet, so be aware that there may still be balance issues.  Those who download, please feel free to post criticisms or reports after testing it out in your forts.


Finally...

• Longland grass is an excellent crop for milling and fine for brewing, but temperamental.  It will not grow in winter, and seeds planted at the start of spring will emerge sometime in the middle of autumn.  If you are very fast, you might sneak a second lot of seedlings in before autumn ends and harvest again in spring, but whether or not you will be able to then replant in time for the crops to reach maturity before the end of next autumn is anyone's guess.
• The real cash crops, the fibrous plants, sunberries, whip vines and strawberries, may not be the best options for starting out a fortress on.  Most of them have very lengthy growth periods that may leave your fortress starving if it lacks enough food to start off with.  The two cheap and weedy crops, plump helmets and rat weeds, have growth cycles of a mere one and two months respectively and can get you enough starting food to work on planting a more stable foodsource such as longland grass or cave wheat.
• Remember, losing is fun!

[dio82]

Sounds Great!

I'll try your mod.

[Javewa]

Looks nice and has a lot more thought to it than the mods I usually do to make farming harder.
I'll check it out.

To make Herbalism less viable, I usually cut down [FREQUENCY] and [CLUSTERSIZE] down as well and remove [EDIBLE_RAW] from all plants.

[Chthonic]

Looks good.  I'll try it this weekend . . .

[Footkerchief]

Does anyone have the old version of this mod?  The OP says it's only vanilla plants, but the file has like a zillion custom plants.

[Chthonic]

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matgloss_plant

Season = ~1000 (1008 exactly).  Growth rates to between 800-1800 for biannuals, 2800 for annuals, 900 for perennials.

[OBJECT:MATGLOSS]

Remains as a 25-day plant in homage to the life cycles of button mushrooms etc.  Raw value and brewed value dropped to 1 for the sake of cheapness and availablility.  Plump helmets are bred for swift growth, not taste.
Yield:   12/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   36¤ Raw
   60¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP]
[TILE:6][COLOR:5:0:0]
[NAME:plump helmet][NAME_PLURAL:plump helmets]
[GROWDUR:300][VALUE:3]
[DRINK:dwarven wine:5:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:1]
[SEEDNAME:plump helmet spawn][SEED:4:0:1]
[GENPOWER:2]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:rounded tops]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]


If you are quick you may get as many as five harvests a year of these, as I have adjusted growing seasons to encompass year-round growth (underground).
They grow quickly, aptly for fungi, but the fine mesh of the mycelia take longer to reach weaveable fruition than plump helmet buttons.
Yield:   5/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   10¤ Raw
   25¤ Brewed
   70+¤ Woven
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:GRASS_TAIL_PIG]
[TILE:231][COLOR:7:0:0]
[NAME:pig tail][NAME_PLURAL:pig tails]
[GROWDUR:700][VALUE:2]
[DRINK:dwarven ale:7:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:1]
[SEED:0:0:1]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[THREAD]
[PREFSTRING:twisting stalks]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]


Plant or fungus?  In the end, an obligate mycoheterotrophic plant won out (look up Monotropastrum humile).
By this model, cave wheat requires a dwarf to first seed the ground with a mycelium of freely available fungi, then grow the plants upon the mycelium.
The cave wheat steals nutrients from the fungal substrate, growing in length and producing a large, starchy seed suitable for milling and storage.  Dwarven flour makes for a notoriously bitter loaf.
Being a plant, it gets roughly the same two-season growth cycle as longland grass, but subterranean conditions allow for an extra harvest per year.
Yield:   2/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   16¤ Raw
   50¤ Brewed
   80¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE]
[TILE:231][COLOR:7:0:1]
[NAME:cave wheat][NAME_PLURAL:cave wheat]
[GROWDUR:1950][VALUE:8]
[DRINK:dwarven beer:6:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:5]
[MILL:dwarven wheat flour:7:0:1]
[MILL_VALUE:40]
[COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
[SEED:6:0:0]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[PREFSTRING:stalks]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]

The easy option here is to pick another myco-heterotrophic plant, but would that be as fun?  Today we get to play with agrarian selection instead.
Thus, the sweet pod is a highly selectively-bred form of plump helmet that has, from a single random mutation and centuries of careful dwarven mushroom breeding, evolved to secrete large stores of sucrose in its fruiting body.
Akin to a puffball, the outer skin of the fruiting body is hard and rubbery, belying the sweet bounty within.  Dwarves either prick it open and let the juice dry before grinding it into sugar, or else press the juice out and reduce it into a thick, sweet syrup.  Mmm, tasty!
With this in mind, they get a brief growth period (slightly shorter than pigtail growth) and can be farmed all year round.
Yield:   6/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   48¤ Raw
   60¤ Brewed
   72¤ Milled
   60¤ Pressed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:POD_SWEET]
[TILE:232][COLOR:4:0:1]
[NAME:sweet pod][NAME_PLURAL:sweet pods]
[GROWDUR:650][VALUE:8]
[DRINK:dwarven rum:5:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:2]
[MILL:dwarven sugar:6:0:0]
[MILL_VALUE:12]
[COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
[EXTRACT:dwarven syrup:6:0:0]
[EXTRACTVALUE:2]
[EXTRACT_BARREL]
[EXTRACT_COOKABLE]
[SEED:2:0:1]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[PREFSTRING:round shape]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]


For this, another myco-heterotroph is in order.  This specimen is akin to a hardier version of cave wheat, a small shrub full of vestigial leaves and hard, bitter nuts.
Like cave wheat, ground must be seeded with a fungal substrate and the bush allowed to take root and grow to maturity.  When readied, its sharp, peppery leaves can be harvested as a spice.
Unfortunately, being both a plant and highly limited in both nutrients and energy for growth, these bushes can take half a year to reach maturity and only form tiny bonsai-style growths.
Yield:   2/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   40¤ Raw      
   80¤ Gathered   
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BUSH_QUARRY]
[TILE:5][COLOR:7:0:0]
[NAME:quarry bush][NAME_PLURAL:quarry bushes]
[GROWDUR:1800][VALUE:20]
[LEAVES:8]
[SEED:7:0:1]
[SEEDNAME:rock nuts]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[PREFSTRING:gray leaves]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:ROOT_MUCK]
[TILE:231][COLOR:0:0:1]
[NAME:muck root][NAME_PLURAL:muck roots]
[WET][BIOME:ANY_WETLAND]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:swamp whiskey:0:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:twisting shape]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:TUBER_BLOATED]
[TILE:232][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NAME:bloated tuber][NAME_PLURAL:bloated tubers]
[DRY][BIOME:ANY_WETLAND]
[VALUE:2]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:tuber beer:7:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:2]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:stout shape]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BULB_KOBOLD]
[TILE:232][COLOR:0:0:1]
[NAME:kobold bulb][NAME_PLURAL:kobold bulbs]
[WET][BIOME:ANY_WETLAND]
[VALUE:5]
[GENPOWER:3]
[EXTRACT:gnomeblight:7:0:1]
[EXTRACTVALUE:100]
[EXTRACT_STILL_VIAL]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:5]
[CLUSTERSIZE:1]
[PREFSTRING:shrouded history]

Small bushes full of sharp-tasting berries.  Perennial shrubs, freely available all year round.
Yield:   4/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   48¤ Raw      
   80¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BERRIES_PRICKLE]
[TILE:58][COLOR:2:0:0]
[NAME:prickle berry][NAME_PLURAL:prickle berries]
[DRY][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:900][VALUE:12]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:prickle berry wine:2:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:4]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[SEED:0:0:1]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:precise thorns]
[SEED:2:0:0]


Biannual plants, fruit twice per year with consummately high value.
Yield:   2/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   44¤ Raw      
   90¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BERRIES_STRAW_WILD]
[TILE:58][COLOR:4:0:0]
[NAME:wild strawberry][NAME_PLURAL:wild strawberries]
[DRY][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:1800][VALUE:22]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:strawberry wine:5:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:9]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[SEED:0:0:1]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:vivid red color]
[SEED:0:0:1]


Grain crop with a slightly more than two-season growth cycle, but does not fare well in winter.  Usually one harvest per year.
On the plus side, longland flour keeps pretty much forever.  Excellent for those long siege years or distance trading.
Yield:   1/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   24¤ Raw      
   75¤ Brewed
   95¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:GRASS_LONGLAND]
[TILE:231][COLOR:6:0:1]
[NAME:Longland grass][NAME_PLURAL:Longland grass]
[DRY][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:2400][VALUE:24]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:Longland beer:6:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:15]
[MILL:Longland flour:7:0:1]
[MILL_VALUE:95]
[COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN]
[SEED:6:0:0]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[PREFSTRING:sweeping stalks]
[SEED:6:0:0]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:HERB_VALLEY]
[TILE:152][COLOR:2:0:1]
[NAME:valley herb][NAME_PLURAL:valley herbs]
[DRY][BIOME:GRASSLAND_TEMPERATE]
[VALUE:5]
[GENPOWER:3]
[EXTRACT:golden salve:6:0:1]
[EXTRACTVALUE:100]
[EXTRACT_VIAL]
[SPRING]
[FREQUENCY:5]
[CLUSTERSIZE:1]
[EDIBLE_WHENCOOKED]
[PREFSTRING:tiny leaves]
[PREFSTRING:soothing fragrance]


The surface equivalent of the plump helmet; cheap, quickly grown and pretty unpalatable.  Generally regarded a weed.
Yield:   6/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   48¤ Raw      
   60¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:WEED_RAT]
[TILE:231][COLOR:2:0:0]
[NAME:rat weed][NAME_PLURAL:rat weed]
[WET][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:625][VALUE:8]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:sewer brew:6:0:0]
[DRINKVALUE:2]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:hanging leaves]
[SEED:0:0:1]


The marshland cousin of prickle berries.  Equally cheap and available.
Yield:   4/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   20¤ Raw      
   100¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BERRIES_FISHER]
[TILE:58][COLOR:7:0:0]
[NAME:fisher berry][NAME_PLURAL:fisher berries]
[WET][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:900][VALUE:12]
[GENPOWER:1]
[DRINK:fisher berry wine:6:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:4]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[PREFSTRING:round shape]
[SEED:0:0:1]


As the name might suggest, a fibrous reed favoured in the construction of rope.  Slower growth, but a more valued product than threshed fungal hyphae.
Yield:   4/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   16¤ Raw
   40¤ Brewed
   112+¤ Woven
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:REED_ROPE]
[TILE:159][COLOR:2:0:0]
[NAME:rope reed][NAME_PLURAL:rope reeds]
[DRINK:river spirits:6:0:1]
[DRINKVALUE:2]
[WET][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:925][VALUE:4]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[THREAD]
[PREFSTRING:precise lines]
[SEED:6:0:0]

A simple mushroom that produces a deep blue pigment.  Bred for colour.  Crushed for dye.  Surprisingly slow growing; pigment does not appear until cup starts to decay.
Yield:   4/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   40¤ Raw      
   80¤ Milled   
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE]
[TILE:3][COLOR:1:0:1]
[NAME:dimple cup][NAME_PLURAL:dimple cups]
[GROWDUR:900][VALUE:10]
[MILL:dimple dye:1:0:1]
[MILL_VALUE:20]
[MILL_DYE:MIDNIGHT_BLUE]
[SEEDNAME:dimple cup spawn][SEED:5:0:1]
[GENPOWER:2]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:100]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[PREFSTRING:soothing color]
[WET][DRY][BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER]

A common grass farmed or gathered for its brilliant emerald sheen and particularly mordant dye.  Takes slightly longer than a season to grow.
Yield:   3/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   45¤ Raw      
   90¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:WEED_BLADE]
[TILE:231][COLOR:2:0:0]
[NAME:blade weed][NAME_PLURAL:blade weed]
[DRY][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:1250][VALUE:15]
[MILL:emerald dye:2:0:0]
[MILL_VALUE:30]
[MILL_DYE:EMERALD]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:25]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[PREFSTRING:stiff, triangular leaves]
[SEED:0:0:1]

A cheap, common root from which dye can be ground.  Grows absurdly quickly, almost as fast as plump helmets, making up for a generally inferior dye.  Good for when you have a lot of cloth to dye.
Yield:   10/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   30¤ Raw      
   60¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:ROOT_HIDE]
[TILE:231][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NAME:hide root][NAME_PLURAL:hide root]
[DRY][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[GROWDUR:380][VALUE:3]
[MILL:redroot dye:6:0:0]
[MILL_VALUE:6]
[MILL_DYE:RED]
[GENPOWER:1]
[SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[CLUSTERSIZE:5]
[PREFSTRING:fuzzy projections]
[SEED:4:0:0]


A terrifyingly efficient weed.  Sliver barbs drain the nutrients from soil and spread like wildfire, turning whole regions into dead, barren wastelands in their wake.  The upshot of this is that they have a nighmarishly fast growth rate at the expense of any surrounding vegetation.
They are the standard fare of goblin troops and can be ground into a potent black dye, cheap and easily available.
Yield:   10/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   10¤ Raw
   50¤ Brewed   
   100¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:SLIVER_BARB]
   [TILE:231][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [NAME:sliver barb][NAME_PLURAL:sliver barbs]
   [DRY][EVIL][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [GROWDUR:380][VALUE:1]
   [DRINK:gutter cruor:4:0:0]
   [DRINKVALUE:1]
   [MILL:sliver dye:0:0:1]
   [MILL_VALUE:10]
   [MILL_DYE:BLACK]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:wicked thorns]
   [SEED:4:0:1]


Sun berry bushes take a full year to grow and only fruit in the midsummer sun, which is also the only time they can be planted.  They revitalise the soil around them throughout the year, producing golden berries that almost shine at fruition.
Yield:   1/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   70¤ Raw
   100¤ Brewed
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:BERRY_SUN]
   [TILE:58][COLOR:6:0:1]
   [NAME:sun berry][NAME_PLURAL:sun berries]
   [WET][GOOD][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
   [GROWDUR:3800][VALUE:70]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [DRINK:sunshine:6:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:20]
   [SUMMER]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
   [EDIBLE_RAW]
   [PREFSTRING:inner light]
   [SEED:0:0:1]


Thick, woody and expansive, whip vines are famous for their starchy stems, their small, heady berries and their unnerving tendency to periodically ensnare and crush small animals trying to eat them.
Vines are usually ground into a slightly spicy flour or brewed into a very heady wine.  Their lengthy growth cycle means that usually only one harvest can be conducted per year, but sometimes a second may be manageable.
Yield:   1/tile/yr   (1 plant stack)
Val/Yr:   40¤ Raw
   80¤ Brewed   
   80¤ Milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:VINE_WHIP]
   [TILE:21][COLOR:3:0:1]
   [NAME:whip vine][NAME_PLURAL:whip vines]
   [DRY][SAVAGE][BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
   [GROWDUR:3000][VALUE:40]
   [GENPOWER:1]
   [DRINK:whip wine:3:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:18]
   [MILL:whip vine flour:7:0:1]
   [MILL_VALUE:90]
   [COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:length]
   [SEED:0:0:1]

I think this is the whole original.  It's pretty awesome.

[Footkerchief]

Awesome, thanks!

[slink]

Yes, thank you.  I had just begun a world with the file in the first post, and was coming back with a question.  I see now that it is not the right file at all.

However, I will ask my question anyway, since it is an interesting file.

I generated a world with the file in the first post.  The problem is that the extract for one of the plants shows up as a blank line in the stockpile settings.  It is the one for sicklethorn toxin.  It is missing some numbers on the line I have indicated below.

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[MATGLOSS_PLANT:SICKLETHORN]
   [TILE:148][COLOR:4:0:0]
   [NAME:sicklethorn cactus][NAME_PLURAL:sicklethorn cacti]
   [VALUE:5]
   [DRY][WET][EVIL]
   [BIOME:DESERT_BADLAND]
   [BIOME:DESERT_ROCK]
   [BIOME:DESERT_SAND]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [GROWDUR:1512]
   [DRINK:desert's draught:4:0:0]
   [DRINKVALUE:4]
   [EXTRACT:sicklethorn toxin] <== MISSING SOME NUMBERS
   [EXTRACT_STILL_VIAL]
   [EXTRACTVALUE:8]
   [SUMMER][AUTUMN]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:silver stems]
   [SEED:4:0:0]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
   A sinister looking cactus that has dangerous looking
   spines and red blotches over its surface. It is nearly
   impossible to tend and keep one's skin intact. It can be
   brewed into a drink notable for causing hallucinations.

It is evident that the OP re-used the file storage for a different purpose, but others might want to try the new file anyway.  It needs the above problem fixed before it will work correctly.  I don't know if there are other errors.  That is the one I encountered.

[Phoenyx]

Has anyone run with this mod long term that can share any insight on how well it works over the lifetime of a fortress?

[Chthonic]

Has anyone run with this mod long term that can share any insight on how well it works over the lifetime of a fortress?

If you mean the original version (that I reposted above), it works fine.  Underground crops become sufficient for keeping your fortress going year-round, while aboveground crops offer a great deal of variety.  It changes trade dynamics somewhat . . . if you're used to just purchasing a bunch of cheap booze from the caravans for the first couple of years (I'm lazy, and rarely get a farm dug out and a still set up until just before the first trade caravan arrives) the new values put a bit of a squeeze on.

Aboveground crops are tougher, especially if you decide to farm in the open.  On the other hand, (I believe) the higher values involved mean happier dwarves.  So it's a tradeoff.

If Toady assimilated this (the original) mat_gloss into the vanilla version, I think it would add a lot to play value.

[Phoenyx]

Yea, I just started with it. The growing seasons was one thing that always bothered me and that really stood out for me. So far, the underground plans "feel" about the same in terms of usage, but it sounds like most of the difference is with the above-ground ones.

I was just wondering if there were people with experience with it.

[supa]

Yes, thank you.  I had just begun a world with the file in the first post, and was coming back with a question.  I see now that it is not the right file at all.

However, I will ask my question anyway, since it is an interesting file.

I generated a world with the file in the first post.  The problem is that the extract for one of the plants shows up as a blank line in the stockpile settings.  It is the one for sicklethorn toxin.  It is missing some numbers on the line I have indicated below.

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[MATGLOSS_PLANT:SICKLETHORN]
   [TILE:148][COLOR:4:0:0]
   [NAME:sicklethorn cactus][NAME_PLURAL:sicklethorn cacti]
   [VALUE:5]
   [DRY][WET][EVIL]
   [BIOME:DESERT_BADLAND]
   [BIOME:DESERT_ROCK]
   [BIOME:DESERT_SAND]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [GROWDUR:1512]
   [DRINK:desert's draught:4:0:0]
   [DRINKVALUE:4]
   [EXTRACT:sicklethorn toxin] <== MISSING SOME NUMBERS
   [EXTRACT_STILL_VIAL]
   [EXTRACTVALUE:8]
   [SUMMER][AUTUMN]
   [FREQUENCY:100]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:silver stems]
   [SEED:4:0:0]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
   A sinister looking cactus that has dangerous looking
   spines and red blotches over its surface. It is nearly
   impossible to tend and keep one's skin intact. It can be
   brewed into a drink notable for causing hallucinations.

It is evident that the OP re-used the file storage for a different purpose, but others might want to try the new file anyway.  It needs the above problem fixed before it will work correctly.  I don't know if there are other errors.  That is the one I encountered.

just in case anyone needed help fixing the error, [EXTRACT:sicklethorn toxin] needs a color value at the end of the tag. it should be replaced by something like [EXTRACT:sicklethorn toxin:5:0:0].

i dunno what color the author wanted the extract to be so i just put in whatever. in this case 5:0:0 makes it magenta. http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Color#Modding_color

as a side note, i'm enjoying this mod and especially the brief notes in the raws. it gives the plants a little more flavor. it's too bad they aren't viewable as in-game descriptions.

[slink]

I am enjoying the old form which was relisted, to which I added Pickerel's reindeer moss, beehives, and cacao bush.  I tried to adjust his plants to Iituem's economic basis, and added mead as a honey-based drink. 

I added the reindeer moss because it irritated me that the greenhouse in my arctic colony could grow nothing despite being roofed in and open to the rest of the delving (ie, heated as much as the rest, however much that was, but at least not freezing) because of the game's handling of the outdoor/above-ground/light situation.

I added honey and cacao because I like them.   

Yield tile/year=4, 48 per tile raw, 40 per tile drink, 40 per tile milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:CLADINA_RANGIFERINA]
   [TILE:227][COLOR:3:0:1]
   [NAME:reindeer moss][NAME_PLURAL:reindeer moss]
   [GROWDUR:1000][VALUE:12]
   [SHRUB_COLOR:3:0:1]
   [SEEDNAME:cladina bits][SEED:4:0:1]
   [WET][DRY]
   [BIOME:TUNDRA]
   [BIOME:FOREST_TAIGA]
   [BIOME:MOUNTIAN]
   [GENPOWER:2]
   [DRINK:Aquavit:3:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:2]
   [MILL:cladina powder:7:0:1]
   [MILL_VALUE:10]
   [COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [FREQUENCY:5]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:twining branches]
   [PREFSTRING:thick mats]

Yield 2/tile/year, 40 per tile raw,90 per tile extracted, 90 per tile drink
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:HONEY1]
   [TILE:'B'][COLOR:6:0:0]
   [NAME:temperate bee hive][NAME_PLURAL:temperate bee hives]
   [GROWDUR:1100][VALUE:20]
   [SHRUB_COLOR:6:0:0]
   [EXTRACT:Honey:6:0:1]
   [EXTRACTVALUE:9]
   [EXTRACT_BARREL]
   [EXTRACT_COOKABLE]
   [DRINK:mead:0:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:9]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
   [EDIBLE_RAW]
   [SEED:6:0:1][SEEDNAME:temperate queen bee]
   [GENPOWER:2]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN]
   [FREQUENCY:5]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:droning hum]
   [DRY]
   [BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE]

[MATGLOSS_PLANT:HONEY2]
   [TILE:'B'][COLOR:6:0:0]
   [NAME:tropical bee hive][NAME_PLURAL:tropical bee hives]
   [GROWDUR:1400][VALUE:20]
   [SHRUB_COLOR:6:0:0]
   [EXTRACT:Honey:6:0:1]
   [EXTRACTVALUE:9]
   [EXTRACT_BARREL]
   [EXTRACT_COOKABLE]
   [DRINK:mead:0:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:9]
   [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
   [EDIBLE_RAW]
   [SEED:6:0:1][SEEDNAME:tropical queen bee]
   [GENPOWER:2]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [FREQUENCY:5]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:social behavior]
   [DRY]
   [BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL]

Yield tile/year=4, 40 per tile raw, 80 per tile drink, 80 per tile milled
[MATGLOSS_PLANT:CACAO_BUSH]
   [TILE:´&´][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [NAME:cacao bush][NAME_PLURAL:cacao bushes]
   [GROWDUR:1000]
   [DRY][WET]
   [BIOME:FOREST_TROPICAL_MOIST_BROADLEAF]
   [VALUE:10]
   [GENPOWER:1]
   [SPRING][SUMMER][AUTUMN][WINTER]
   [FREQUENCY:5]
   [MILL:chocolate powder:7:0:1]
   [MILL_VALUE:20]
   [COOKABLE_WHEN_MILLED]
   [DRINK:creme de cacao:0:0:1]
   [DRINKVALUE:4]
   [EDIBLE_RAW]
   [CLUSTERSIZE:5]
   [PREFSTRING:flowers]
   [PREFSTRING:colored pods]
   [SEED:0:0:1]

I do agree that the underground plants should grow in all seasons, and it is definitely feeling different with cave wheat, for instance, having a long growing season.  Here, by the way, is a link to a possible picture of cave wheat.  Beautiful, isn't it?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monotropastrum_humile.jpg

Since my currently used embark party supply list consists of nothing but 2 cats, 2 dogs, 1 rope, one axe, two picks, turtles, plump helmets, plump helmet spawn, and 101 barrels of each type of booze, I have been able to adjust to this new model rather easily but it does slow down production which is a nice change and makes it a little more important to plan instead of just making more and more stockpiles for the overwhelming amount of food that is produced from the vanilla model.

I also verified that the plant token processing won't accept any cheese tokens, despite the presence of plant cheese on the stockpile menu.

Edit: corrected BIOME statement errors on Pickerel's plants, and also removed all biomes except mountain, tundra, and taiga forest from the reindeer moss because that is how I play it

[Lyrax]

My name is Lyrax, and I approve of this mod!

[Lyrax]

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The sun berries must be changed to grow during fall as well as summer, because they take about a full season to grow - a little longer, I think.  As is, they cannot be planted at all.