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[ravensgrace]

Update:  Suggestion to toggle (on/off) certain objects or aspects of the game for CPU/FPS reasons or aesthetics.

-Excessive content -- see below for specifics (ravensgrace)
-Blood -- killing things does or does not produce blood (Dolohov)
-Chunks -- keep bodies whole, don't produce severed arms and heads (Dolohov)
-Death -- only have permanent unconsciousness (Neonivek)
-Torture/World-Gen Torture (ravensgrace/Skizelo)
-Taunts -- semi-/mega-beast (Skizelo)
-Some of the language-vocabulary. (ravensgrace/Skizelo)

Update: Thanks to Toady's brilliant foresight and this link it appears that this suggestion isn't nearly as relevant for me, personally, but it may be relevant to others.  Feel free to contribute to the list!

Excessive Content: To be clear this does not mean removing blood, starvation, loss of limbs, or death.  The term, excessive, can obviously be interpreted a thousand different ways, and everyone has their own opinion.  To clarify what I mean when using it, here's my definition:  Anything clearly stated in the game that goes above and beyond simple descriptions, or isn't left up to the imagination.  For instance, "blood spatter" and "dwarf chunk" aren't deemed excessive, whereas "Urist is sprayed with brains and blood" is deemed excessive.

Original post (deprecated): I'd like to introduce DF to my 8 and 10 year olds, but I'd need an option that disables some and/or all of the adult content.  Of course, the setting could also be increased for those that wanted it.  So, the TOAD_RATING could be like the ESRB, but better.

I know I'm probably in the minority with this suggestion, so derogatory comments shall be overlooked.

[Neonivek]

I don't know... Generally speaking there are two problems with this

1) Disabling some of the gore (Cutting off someone's finger) would require some heavy coding...

and

2) What 6-8 year old can honestly play this AND find it fun?

However I guess what you COULD do.. is get someone to make a Mod that changes everything into robots and blood into oil and guts into wires!

[Skizelo]

I'm trying to think of all the non-player foulness (always going to be able to give traders a magma shower and starve dwarfs). The world-gen torture, the semi-/megabeast taunts, some of the language-vocabulary. Blood? But this is a good suggestion.
And Neonivek: nerdy children. Incredibly nerdy children.

[Neonivek]

Unfortunately I think Spheres are hardcoded into the game...

So you can't change torchure into Bunnies... and you can't change pain into Butterflies.

[ravensgrace]

1) Disabling some of the gore (Cutting off someone's finger) would require some heavy coding...

No heavy coding.  Cartoon characters lose their limbs all the time.  So, loss of limbs doesn't need to be changed.

[G-Flex]

So a peasant getting his arms torn off, throat ripped out, and lungs punctured isn't "adult content"? What in DF is, then?

If I can think of any "adult content" in DF, it's probably getting torn limb from limb and their body parts being strewn about.

[Granite26]

I think Toad_Rating is less the answer than getting one of the modders to rewrite the races (to reduce their willingness to torture) and the response files for a PG rating.

[G-Flex]

True, but that doesn't prevent your glassmaker from going insane and throwing a stone chair at her infant son, crushing his head.

[ravensgrace]

Changing the response files wouldn't change that?  I mean, for me at least, there is a huge difference between "crushing his skull" or "smashing his head in" and "hitting him in the head."  Whatever is left to the imagination is fine, because then it depends on the child and his/her environment.

[catpaw]

How about "moved his head to a better place"?

[Neonivek]

1) Disabling some of the gore (Cutting off someone's finger) would require some heavy coding...

No heavy coding.  Cartoon characters lose their limbs all the time.  So, loss of limbs doesn't need to be changed.

Cartoon characters harmlessly lose their limbs... And they immediately reattach it afterwords.

[ravensgrace]

Cartoon characters harmlessly lose their limbs... And they immediately reattach it afterwords.

Most children have never seen a dismembered limb covered in blood and gore lying on the ground.  So, they can only relate it to what they know.   For instance, stating that a dwarf is starving to death can only be related to that child's concept of starving.  "I want that cookie, daddy! Please?! I'm starving!"

Part of what's so awesome about ASCII games!

[Neonivek]

Interestingly... What could also be done is "Death" could be taken out and only Pernament unconsciousness could be put in.

[ravensgrace]

Interestingly... What could also be done is "Death" could be taken out and only Pernament unconsciousness could be put in.

What a great idea.

*begins ignoring a troll until it starves into permanent unconsciousness*

[G-Flex]

Most children have never seen a dismembered limb covered in blood and gore lying on the ground.  So, they can only relate it to what they know.   For instance, stating that a dwarf is starving to death can only be related to that child's concept of starving.  "I want that cookie, daddy! Please?! I'm starving!"

Part of what's so awesome about ASCII games!

I would hope that ANY child old enough to play a game like Dwarf Fortress (certainly someone 8-10 years old) would understand that starving to death and actually dying from it, is slightly different from being hungry.

Also, in response to something you said earlier: No, changing the response text regarding the kid's head being smashed in wouldn't necessarily change much when it's broken, bleeding, and on the floor anyway.