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[Align]

Wasn't the idea that once you went into Kingdom mode you would be able to basically make mandates for forts rather than go into fortress mode in them and do it manually?

[Neonivek]

Wow... So it doesn't even make Kingdom mode the Plural for Fortress mode...

It just makes it a PURE addon to fortress mode

[Rockphed]

I want to see Kingdom mode as something Entirely Different from fortress mode.  If I am playing my fortress, I don't want to have to worry about the rest of the kingdom, and if I am trying to control the kingdom, I don't want to have to stop every couple months to ensure that my food supplies haven't disappeared or to trade. 

On the other hand, as I get a Baron, Count, and then Duke, I want to be able to, for instance, move my Iron Mining off site, and only keep a couple miners around to dig rooms.  Or send a dozen wood cutters and wood burners down into the valley to produce Charcoal.  Every season, I would then send a wagon load of food down and it would return packed to the brim with wood, charcoal and ash.  However, that is another Suggestion altogether.

[Granite26]

I want to see Kingdom mode as something Entirely Different from fortress mode.  If I am playing my fortress, I don't want to have to worry about the rest of the kingdom, and if I am trying to control the kingdom, I don't want to have to stop every couple months to ensure that my food supplies haven't disappeared or to trade. 

That's kind of how I feel.  In the long run, you are going to be worried about your kingdom, not the capitol.  Unless you are going to be zooming in to each city(fort) to make changes, you're going to need to use some sort of a fortress abstraction.

Make it a separate game entirely.  To steal Othob's idea, I'd say you get advantages that transfer across different games rather than transfers between game types

	Advantage to:	Adventurer Mode	Fortress Mode	Kingdom Mode
Playing as:
Adventurer Mode		N/A	Clear out dangerous areas	Epic quests to weaken enemy fortress
Fortress Mode		Custom Equipment	N/A	Expand Frontiers
Kingdom Mode		Plots	Stabalize areas	N/A

This assumes dropping and restarting all three modes.

(sorry I was gone so long.  My friend Ike came to visit.  Still don't have power back )

[PTTG??]

I always figured it a natural progression, like Spore. Smaller scale to larger scale. Perhaps it would be cool if you could jump between the "Stages" on start.

...urk.
*vomits*

Wow- that was- wow. Just wow. I had no idea comparing spore to DF would hurt that much, physically. wow. I'm not sure I'll ever recover.

Back on task:
Despite what I said above, you have a point. I definitely agree with the OP here, these should be different game modes. I like this because you could play it in any order. For example:
Start a new world, select a kingdom and control it abstractly, building fortresses and mines all over the map. Then leave that mode and start a new fortress somewhere and build it up. Then create an adventurer and send him out into the wilderness, where he builds a cabin. Then start Fortress mode and have a band of other dwarves go out into the woods to join the adventurer and build a fortress there, then start a new kingdom with this fortress as it's capital.

Considering what I know is planned, you need three modes: Adventurer - (controlling a single person/monster.) Band - (anything where you control a group of units indirectly, such as Fortress mode or Bandits or religious order or Trade Caravan.) and Nation (You control the entire world from the legends screen, influencing many groups, with small details abstracted out.)

[Scoops Novel]

In my opinion, you should have the option to start from "kingdom" mode, with or without controlling your fortress/'s, or work your way up from fortress mode and have the option to continue micromanage your fort and/or key forts and/or if technically possible all the forts, with the default being your own fort, but with the potential to less directly affect other forts while the AI handles most of their work, through sending or commissioning blueprints, sending messengers, etc.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Here's one guy's idea of how Adventure and Fortress mode could eventually be intgrated, and while Toady hasn't confirmed it, it's a nice starting point.

You start as one dwarf in the Mountainhomes, or an elf in the forest retreat or a human in a town or a creeper in a cave or whatever. You can then adventure or gather a party to settle somewhere. In the latter case, you can build a fortress like FM; in the former, you adventure. If you build a fort, you can take control of an individual, and if you adventure you can go start a fort. The specifics are unimportant; the most important parts are that A. the general modes (Adventuring and Building a Fortress) are interchangeable at any time and can both be done from the start, more or less.

In such a set-up...where would Kingdom Mode fit in?

[PastequeSauvage]

This mod would be sooooooo cool

[Shonai_Dweller]

Agree with the op here.
The goal of the game (paraphrasing) is to be a fantasy simulator in which you can take on any role you like in the world. Mercenaries, bards, merchants, geographers and so on in a far future version of 'adventurer'; fortress, jail, city, necromancer tower, dark-pit master in a future 'fortress mode', and king, duke or demon overlord in a yet to be realised crusader kings type of campaign game.
With seamless crossover between all the versions when you want to settle your adventurers, change roles, or think certain fortresses need your personal attention.

[Putnam]

This mod would be sooooooo cool

This cannot be a mod.

[Naryar]

Shouldn't kingdom mode only start in Fortress Mode when you are the mountainhome ?

[Salmeuk]

The escaped lunatic strikes again! murderous necromancer, take your minions and begone!

[AceSV]

"Kingdom Mode" is short-sighted.  If it was me, I'd have called it "Empire Mode".  Then there was this. 

[Naryar]

"Kingdom Mode" is short-sighted.  If it was me, I'd have called it "Empire Mode".  Then there was this.

"World Conquest Mode ?"

At least that's what it's going to be for me, if Dwarf Fortress becomes a 4X sometime.

[AceSV]

"Kingdom Mode" is short-sighted.  If it was me, I'd have called it "Empire Mode".  Then there was this.

"World Conquest Mode ?"

At least that's what it's going to be for me, if Dwarf Fortress becomes a 4X sometime.

Same for me, but "World Conquest" suggests that there is a goal which can be finished.  If DF goes down that road, I'd rather see something more realistic where political or economic instability (or zombies) eats away at your regime as fast as you can build it.