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[G-Flex]

Did you miss the part of the quote that said "Axes for the butchers"?

[motorbitch]

Woodcutting doesn't really help.  Dwarves who have woodcutting can't uses axes very well (even if they're legendary woodcutters).

my wudcutters usualy turn kobolds and snatchers into kobold ans snatcher slices... maby its all because of the atributes, but it semms to me that they are quite effective.

[Draco18s]

Woodcutting doesn't really help.  Dwarves who have woodcutting can't uses axes very well (even if they're legendary woodcutters).

my wudcutters usualy turn kobolds and snatchers into kobold ans snatcher slices... maby its all because of the atributes, but it semms to me that they are quite effective.

Perhaps, but miners use their mining skill with picks in combat, making them ridiculous.

[G-Flex]

Kobolds themselves are tricky customers. Just about any dwarf can take one down, but every so often, the kobold will get the shot in first, resulting in one of your founding dwarves bleeding to death outside the entrance.

[tigrex]

It makes sense for dwarves to be able to use daggers.  As for civilian use, it may be useful in some situations when civilians kill things, but annoying when civilians run into combat only to be massacred by enemies that know what they're doing.

I'm actually in favour of making each profession have its own item which is needed to perform it - a rod for fishing, a plough for farming, etc.  I feel it would add realism and make it harder to have one dwarf doing everything.  You'd need a bit more preperation before starting off a new type of labour. 

[Neoskel]

Alternatively, let all professions carry a relevant tool. Hammers for the smiths and the masons, axes for the butchers, etc.

Did anyone else think of "The Butcher" from Diablo when reading this?

FRESH MEAT!

You know, i knew a guy who ran up the stairs in-game when he heard that. And out of the room in real life. 

[Jay]

Alternatively, let all professions carry a relevant tool. Hammers for the smiths and the masons, axes for the butchers, etc.

Did anyone else think of "The Butcher" from Diablo when reading this?

Well compared that the Butcher has an Axe and not a Knife... No

Blasphemy.

[Proteus]

It makes sense for dwarves to be able to use daggers.  As for civilian use, it may be useful in some situations when civilians kill things, but annoying when civilians run into combat only to be massacred by enemies that know what they're doing.

I'm actually in favour of making each profession have its own item which is needed to perform it - a rod for fishing, a plough for farming, etc.  I feel it would add realism and make it harder to have one dwarf doing everything.  You'd need a bit more preperation before starting off a new type of labour. 

That would be an interesting idea and would increase the number of possible trade goods as well as the number of things you could produce in your workshops.
Knives for cooks and fish preparators, choppers for butchers, saws for carpenters (to name some other ones).
Of course the expedition should have one of each in stock upon departure

[JayThirtySeven]

I think all dwarves should probably carry knives, daggers, hatchets and other small weapon-like tools all the time. In some historical cultures, just carrying a knife around all the time was considered completely normal. It's a handy all-purpose food utensil, useful tool in all sorts of situations, and greatly increases your chances of defending yourself from wild animals, muggers, or whatever.

Dwarves will compulsively cover every part of their body with clothing and refuse to get rid of it (until it literally falls off)... why not make the handy knife part of the dwarven dress code?

Besides... what sort of half-wit would wander all the way out to a remote fortress, likely beset by all sorts of strange creatures, and not expect trouble? A migrant worker colonizing a new settlement in the world of Dwarf Fortress would have to be naive indeed to have no means of defending himself.

Of course his own survival is still his main concern, and discretion is the better part of valor. Dwarves shouldn't become needlessly aggressive just because they have weapons; they should just use their knives on the off chance they get attacked by animals or other (tantruming/berserk) dwarves.

Might also reduce the incidence of hunters strangling groundhogs with their bare hands.

[Idiom]

Murders cleaner and militia raised faster.
I like it.

[Granite26]

I'm not sure, but I'm relatively convinced that with the current setup, wrestling is as efficient as a knife.

[JayThirtySeven]

I'm not sure, but I'm relatively convinced that with the current setup, wrestling is as efficient as a knife.

Seems that way to me as well, though development goal Bloat 141 mentions "throat slitting" as part of an expanded set of wrestling moves, so maybe knives would just make wrestling that much more deadly. Instead of wrestling a kobold to the ground and pummeling him with meaty fists, your dwarf can wrestle a kobold to the ground and slash his neck open with a knife.

Maybe when that becomes possible, Toady will slightly tone down normal unarmed wrestling damage. Or maybe he won't. Either way, I think it would be cool if dwarves liked to carry knives and such.

[Granite26]

if throat slitting is a wrestling moves, and knives were so common everybody carried one...  Who's to say that they haven't just been abstracted out?

[Draco18s]

if throat slitting is a wrestling moves, and knives were so common everybody carried one...  Who's to say that they haven't just been abstracted out?

Because you can't throat slit yet.

[Joseph Miles]

Alternatively, let all professions carry a relevant tool. Hammers for the smiths and the masons, axes for the butchers, etc.

Did anyone else think of "The Butcher" from Diablo when reading this?

Well compared that the Butcher has an Axe and not a Knife... No

Blasphemy.

Thanks for that, I was going to explain, but ran out of time to. Then got too busy to find the thread.