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[Paul]

I've always seen people saying that, but I've NEVER had a place with 40 power windmills. And I always build windmills. Maybe I'm just unlucky

[sjmarshy]

The map I'm on at the moment has 40 powered windmills, very useful.

[Align]

I've never had a 20 power windmill...

[Muz]

Uh, shouldn't be that hard to get rid of perpetual energy. Do what works in real life - hike up power requirements for pumps. When steam engines were first invented, they were used to pump out water. The problem is not that water wheels are too strong, it's that pumps are too light. Most rivers should not be able to produce enough power to turn a series of water pumps.

[Joseph Miles]

Surprised with the amount of support for this, just something that irked me a little bit.  When I remembered "Hey, I made that suggestion.." and went to check on it, I was amazed to see that there were 18 replies.

[eerr]

we could start with nerfing perpetual motion...

[SolarShado]

Another thing to note is that pumps powered mechanically already have a slower output then a pump powered by a dwarf.  A dwarf powered pump uses the dwarfs skill to determine how fast it is pumping, and this makes a legendary pump operator do pumping about 5 times faster then a mecanical power source.  I never really checked what skill the pumping rate are equal at, but the difference is obvious when you have a legendary turn that pump.

This should probably be added to the wiki.

[Christes]

If you make waterwheels generate less energy, you won't get rid of perpetual motion machines - you'll just make them a lot bigger (i.e. 20 wheels to one pump)

[Foa]

we could start with nerfing perpetual motion...

Stop bitching about it, do you want to make the Bay12 fan base want to rip you ( and supporters ) to fucking shreds!!!

And it'll be because you just had to nerf the shit out of waterwheels, enough to make it as useless as nobles.

[DJ]

The simplest way would be to replace waterwheels with turbines (basically reverse screw pumps). The power output of the turbine would depend on the pressure difference between it's input and output. If the turbines were made to generate 4 power per z level they couldn't be used for perpetual motion.

This would also give us an excuse to build gigantic dams. Which would be a lot easier to build if brooks weren't flat.

[Draco18s]

If you make waterwheels generate less energy, you won't get rid of perpetual motion machines - you'll just make them a lot bigger (i.e. 20 wheels to one pump)

Hate to burst the bubble, but one pump really only supplies enough water for four to six wheels.  If you try and do 20 it'll fail, the water spreads out too much and you stop getting flow.

[Sowelu]

I actually really like the idea of changing waterwheels into reverse pumps:  gaining energy when the water drops a level, just -slightly- less than it takes to pump it up in the first place.  Only problem is, the very common occurrence of a map with a totally flat stream is no longer viable.  We just don't have a way to simulate water flow speed very easily and laglessly.

(Getting power when water drops back down is a cool idea though.  It lets you make a pretty realistic system where you pump water up at one end of the map, then let it flow across and drop at the other end, in order to cheaply transmit power without powering any axles!)