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[Gunner-Chan]

I like how Virtz forgets how goofy and overall non serious Fallout 2 was. At least Fallout 3 feels like it has some sense of self respect for itself, unlike Fallout 2 having mainly stupid jokes and retarded stuff like New Reno.

[Croquantes]

I killed everyone in New Reno. Every single person. That's how you get the best ending for New Reno you see.

[Gunner-Chan]

I edited New Reno out of my game, and put the Jet sidequest somewhere else, then I decided Fallout 2 needs too much work to be salvageable.

[umiman]

Sniper Joe: I doubt you're well qualified to say things like that considering your posting history and choice of avatars.

But I sympathise, I usually kill everyone in New Reno except for Miss Kitty and that dude's wife and daughter that you could bang.

[cowofdoom78963]

Wait, what so bad about new reno?

[Virtz]

I like how Virtz forgets how goofy and overall non serious Fallout 2 was. At least Fallout 3 feels like it has some sense of self respect for itself, unlike Fallout 2 having mainly stupid jokes and retarded stuff like New Reno.

Difference is Fallout 2 was made in under a year. It was a rush job. And it indeed shows. But it still had respectable parts like Vault City, The Den or NCR. New Reno and San Francisco were indeed pretty silly, almost like giant easter eggs (filled with 30s mobsters, kung-fu chinamen and pseudo-scientologists), but at least there were some characters out there worth sympathizing with. Heck, even retarded characters like Tor were actually doing something productive (herding brahmin) compared to most people in FO3. In FO3, everwhere, with the possible exception of Rivet City, is a San Francisco or New Reno.

Another difference is that Bethesda said FO3 would be more grim and dark than FO2, more like FO1, and... just no. It does try to take itself seriously at times, but ends up looking even dumber then.

[Smitehappy]

How is Temple of Union or Megaton silly?

[Alexhans]

"Grumpy bone be saying that there be some evil things happening here"

 

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I like how Virtz forgets how goofy and overall non serious Fallout 2 was. At least Fallout 3 feels like it has some sense of self respect for itself, unlike Fallout 2 having mainly stupid jokes and retarded stuff like New Reno.

Difference is Fallout 2 was made in under a year. It was a rush job. And it indeed shows. But it still had respectable parts like Vault City, The Den or NCR. New Reno and San Francisco were indeed pretty silly, almost like giant easter eggs (filled with 30s mobsters, kung-fu chinamen and pseudo-scientologists), but at least there were some characters out there worth sympathizing with. Heck, even retarded characters like Tor were actually doing something productive (herding brahmin) compared to most people in FO3. In FO3, everwhere, with the possible exception of Rivet City, is a San Francisco or New Reno.

Another difference is that Bethesda said FO3 would be more grim and dark than FO2, more like FO1, and... just no. It does try to take itself seriously at times, but ends up looking even dumber then.

Modern Bethesda are known for telling grandiose outright lies.  Just look at Oblivion.  They said that would be set in Cyrodiil...  Do I even need to mention Radiant AI (You'd think I wouldn't but it seems like people are in denial about it)?

Smitehappy.  How is Megaton silly? Seriously?  Well let's see, first off, it's described as 'a town built in the crater of an unexploded bomb.' W...T...F...?  Secondly, they worship the bomb.  Third, there's some idiot there who decides to give some random stranger a piece of valuable technology, just on the off chance that he decides he want to blow up the entire town... Fourth, the worshippers standing right next to the bomb don't seem to notice or at least care that you're opening up a panel in their object of worship and connecting some strange foreign device to it.  Do I really need to go on?  I haven't even played the game and I know that much...

[Smitehappy]

Let me break this down for ya, freestyle!

Smitehappy.  How is Megaton silly? Seriously?  Well let's see, first off, it's described as 'a town built in the crater of an unexploded bomb.' W...T...F...? 
Megaton was built by a large group of people who originally planned to seek shelter in Vault 101 but were denied access. So they did what a normal human being would do in a radiactive firestorm, they found a big hole (IE:Crater) and stayed put. Raiders started showing up so they built walls.

Secondly, they worship the bomb.
A few people do, most of the citizens don't but just put up with it. Besides, they aren't exactly sane.

Third, there's some idiot there who decides to give some random stranger a piece of valuable technology, just on the off chance that he decides he want to blow up the entire town...
He didn't give you anything valuable, he gave you an explosive which is the second most common object in the Fallout universe next to a gun.

Fourth, the worshippers standing right next to the bomb don't seem to notice or at least care that you're opening up a panel in their object of worship and connecting some strange foreign device to it.
Again. Crazy people do crazy things some times.

Do I really need to go on? I haven't even played the game
GAHHHHHHHH, NO TALKY THEN!

[Servant Corps]

And these crazy people want the bomb to explode, to take them away and create brand new mini-universes. If you were planning on blowing the bomb up, I'm sure the Childern of Atom would turn a blind eye to your activities.

And you got a Fusion Pulse Charge, which detonates an explosive. It isn't actually a bomb.

[Muz]

Well, if you listened to the Megaton history (which I did ), the city was built as a place to keep them safe from raiders. It's perfectly logical that raiders would stay away from the bomb.

The crazy people who worship the bomb were also the ones who built up the wall in the first place. The villagers only tolerate them for the help. And since it became a safe, fortified place, more people flocked to it and it became a city. You can live out there with all the radiated rivers, mutant bears, and raiders.. or you can live in Megaton, next to an active atomic bomb. Not a hard choice.


Lol, Fallout 2 does have a lot of gaps, and was a rush job, but I love it, just like I love rush-job X-Com 2. Fallout 3 has a lot of details but... it lacks that RPG feel. As sloppy as Fallout 2 was, it felt like you were a part of the world, rather than just passing through it.

[Neonivek]

"it became a city"

Some games close off certain sections so a place looks larger

No offense but Megaton doesn't even qualify as a hamlet... it is a freeken Thorp

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Let me break it down for you, freestyle.

Let me break this down for ya, freestyle!

Smitehappy.  How is Megaton silly? Seriously?  Well let's see, first off, it's described as 'a town built in the crater of an unexploded bomb.' W...T...F...? 
Megaton was built by a large group of people who originally planned to seek shelter in Vault 101 but were denied access. So they did what a normal human being would do in a radiactive firestorm, they found a big hole (IE:Crater) and stayed put. Raiders started showing up so they built walls.  
You keep ignoring the part about it being THE CRATER OF AN UNEXPLODED BOMB.  Why are you even bothering to argue if you're just going to keep ignoring any fact that contradicts your argument.

Secondly, they worship the bomb.
A few people do, most of the citizens don't but just put up with it. Besides, they aren't exactly sane.
Aw, so they're "Crazy" well that totally makes it not stupid at all.

Third, there's some idiot there who decides to give some random stranger a piece of valuable technology, just on the off chance that he decides he want to blow up the entire town...
He didn't give you anything valuable, he gave you an explosive which is the second most common object in the Fallout universe next to a gun. 
It's not something made of soap or whatever.  It's a detonator for an ATOMIC BOMB.  And he just tells you about it even though you could just go tell the Sheriff about it and kill him if for instance, you aren't a psychopath.


Fourth, the worshippers standing right next to the bomb don't seem to notice or at least care that you're opening up a panel in their object of worship and connecting some strange foreign device to it.
Again. Crazy people do crazy things some times.

Do I really need to go on? I haven't even played the game
GAHHHHHHHH, NO TALKY THEN!
Well considering I seem to know just as much about it as you do...

[Jackrabbit]

F-f-f-f-freestyling! Just saying what comes into the top of my head! Like it's random, ruh-ruh-ruh-ruh-random!

Let me break it down for you, freestyle.

Let me break this down for ya, freestyle!

Smitehappy.  How is Megaton silly? Seriously?  Well let's see, first off, it's described as 'a town built in the crater of an unexploded bomb.' W...T...F...? 
Megaton was built by a large group of people who originally planned to seek shelter in Vault 101 but were denied access. So they did what a normal human being would do in a radiactive firestorm, they found a big hole (IE:Crater) and stayed put. Raiders started showing up so they built walls.  
You keep ignoring the part about it being THE CRATER OF AN UNEXPLODED BOMB.  Why are you even bothering to argue if you're just going to keep ignoring any fact that contradicts your argument.
200 years into the future (I think?) people seem to have forgotten what nuclear bombs are. Some people, anyway. Regardless, if the bomb hasn't exploded over all these years and the Children of Atom have lived here before them with no explosions, then they had every reason to assume it was safer then the mutant and raider infested wasteland

Secondly, they worship the bomb.
A few people do, most of the citizens don't but just put up with it. Besides, they aren't exactly sane.
Aw, so they're "Crazy" well that totally makes it not stupid at all.
Crazy like a fox! What, did you expect everyone in the aftermath of a nuclear apocalypse to be sane? Besides, being crazy doesn't necessarily make people stupid.

Third, there's some idiot there who decides to give some random stranger a piece of valuable technology, just on the off chance that he decides he want to blow up the entire town...
He didn't give you anything valuable, he gave you an explosive which is the second most common object in the Fallout universe next to a gun. 
It's not something made of soap or whatever.  It's a detonator for an ATOMIC BOMB.  And he just tells you about it even though you could just go tell the Sheriff about it and kill him if for instance, you aren't a psychopath.
I think that money would motivate people a lot more after the apocalypse. I think he gave the offer to anyone who looked like a mercenary and walked through the town and he probably had the presence of mind to set up a way to disappear, quickly, if need be.


Fourth, the worshippers standing right next to the bomb don't seem to notice or at least care that you're opening up a panel in their object of worship and connecting some strange foreign device to it.
Again. Crazy people do crazy things some times.
Besides, the Children of the Atom seem to want the thing to go off. They believe that an atomic explosion creates many different universes and as such view the war as a wonderful thing

Do I really need to go on? I haven't even played the game
GAHHHHHHHH, NO TALKY THEN!
Well considering I seem to know just as much about it as you do...
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