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[Micro102]

hmmm one more thing. does the FPS really drop? it says it drops but does your game slow down, do the fire and people move more slowly?

[Puck]

that does simply depend on if I make use of the ifpsclamp setting.

without the setting, the fps drops considerable.
with the setting on, the fps stays constant (because thats what ifpsclamp does) but the game goes into matrix slomo.

[krumlink]

Idiots the whole lot of you saying "It sucks". One of the best RPG games ever.

[Torak]

Idiots the whole lot of you saying "It sucks". One of the best RPG games ever.

Go back to gamespot you child.

[Aqizzar]

Idiots the whole lot of you saying "It sucks". One of the best RPG games ever.

Go back to gamespot you child.

Best RPGs ever?  Eh.  But you know what I've been doing for the past five days?  Powerfisting ghouls, beating mole rats with sticks, blowing up robots, and beheading slavers with Lincoln's .44 rifle.  In other words-



Having fun.  Which is all I expect from a game.

[Torak]

Having fun.  Which is all I expect from a game.

What I expect from a game is something other than a retextured Oblivion.

[Aqizzar]

Having fun.  Which is all I expect from a game.

What I expect from a game is something other than a retextured Oblivion.

Rather, what you expect is irrelevant.  What you want is validation by shitting on other people's enjoyment.  Which I believe brings the thread full circle.

I don't give a damn about graphics, and nothing about that makes me any "worse" a gamer.  I really am having as much fun as playing Morrowind for the first time.

[Micro102]

basing a games score on other games makes you unfit to grade it. if someone created the best gameplay style possible, but only for something like WWII, id want to play it as futuristic, and any other possible gamestyle...

[Puck]

It's decent, that's all.

Imho it looks great and all... but there's this plastic christmas feeling that doesnt go away.

The game just isn't scary or dark or anything. It's a friggin bubble gum romance.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Well yeah, having done more research into Fallout3 - obviously it doesn't have the same feeling as Fallout 1+2 which I love, dev teams and all...

But I suppose if I want GRIMDARK and black humour with more gameplay (hurrr oblivion with guns durrr), I'll have to wait for the modding community to pick up the slack, because betheda sucks.

But at least the game engine is great for modding. I'll wait on getting Fallout3 until I see some epic mods.

[Puck]

I think im just spoiled by stalker. It had its bugs and the AI did some funny things now and then... but it friggin gave me da chills.

I started to read a lot about chernobyl after I played it, also I finally got around to read "roadside picnic".

The feeling they manage to create, it's hard to describe. Empty and lifeless ... but not boring at all, it's weird. I mean... the fact, there is an area that will be inhabitable long after mankind is gone, probably... it's just weird.

FO3 was like a trip to disneyland. Maybe with an empty purse, but still it's friggin disneyland.

Tranquility Lane was fun Not exactly that new of an idea, but it came surprisingly and was kind of refreshing.

[Micro102]

i just cant get over how when you enter vats mode a mole rat just jumped at you mouth agape and you shotgun it in the mouth and it head explodes. or how you powerfist uppercut a supermutant and its perfectly insync.

[Aqizzar]

VATS does feel to me like a concession from Bethesda to their engine's own problems.  Between the jerky movement, crap collision detection, and spaztastic Morrowind AI, it's virtually impossible to play it as a first person shooter.  The only times manual aiming works is either with a really fast melee weapon against a slow target, or when sniping an immobile target (where the hit rate is actually better than VATS).

All that being said, VATS is still entertaining.  I know some people complained (preemptively of course) that seeing a slow-mo action shot for every turn would get annoying.  It uses enough perspectives that it always feels different enough to stay at least acceptable.

My biggest VATS complaint by far though is that bullets seem consciously attracted to hit the cover I'm hiding behind or intervening objects that shouldn't stop bullets.  Like handrails.  Or empty windows.  Because apparently Bethesda routed the old "stuck in scenery" problem by giving everything big square collision boxes (a good idea), then used the same walking-fix-boxes for projectile collision (idiocy).

I'll have to wait for the modding community to pick up the slack, because betheda sucks.

But at least the game engine is great for modding. I'll wait on getting Fallout3 until I see some epic mods.

Oh yeah, definitely.  Morrowind got boring pretty quick without the wealth of mods people (like me) made - packing the development system with the game was what sold it.  Twin Lamps was one of my favorites for it's scale and execution.  I'm sure Fallout is already getting the same treatment.

[Puck]

Hell yeah, VATS likes to hit covers. I guess thats because VATS HATES cover.
Because almighty VATS (in vanilla) grants you some evul damage reduction. So it probably gets jealous when you try to rely on solid objects to keep you from getting hurt.

The fun thing is... its really hard to predict. sometimes youre really far above your cover, and the bullet still hits it.

And sometimes, and that's really fun, because I think its a prime example for really existing psi power, (or just the infinte computing power of the subconsciousness), is when you hit those handrails. Because... some of those rails DO HAVE very accurate hitboxes it seems. You can put bullets left and right of the metal no problem, but you can also hit that tiny piece in the middle and CLANK goes the bullet.

And after your VATS hit the covers in the past 5 firefights, you start to get pissed. And thats exactly when your mind gains power over it, and you start to RELIABLY hit the smallest of obstructions that are even remotely in your line of fire.

[firefly28]

Ive got fallout, enjoyable but very short term, main story was like a demo, thats my view. Please dont shoot me but I can see why original fallout 2 fans arent happy, I mean lets face it; its thank to them the game made it and betheshda has essentially changed the genre. I aint going to sit here and argue though, I actually came on here to ask one thing, is there a proper modding kit out for F3 , i.e TES?

As fo it being one of the best RPGs ever, well everyones entitled to their opinion and I would say no its knowhere near best RPG ever UNLESS you rate the dues EX games really highly and they are everything you would see embodied in your favourite RPGS. To me betheshda games are good for people just comming into the RPG games and maybe have some preconcieved ideas of them being for geeks; I had that misconception years back and now I guess I have turned out loving anything and everything RPG I think betheshda games in the MODERN sense are good entry level games but for the hardcore D&D types which used to play all the D&D roleplaying games as kids I doubt F3 is going to keep them happy long.

The game feels rushed, you cant even join factions and the choices mean nothing, well all but the Nuke. I liked it but I just get the distinct feeling games are fast becommimng a case of "Lets rush them half done out the door and sell them 100 installments as a franchise"

I also reckon morrowind had far superior content and storyline than oblivion but I know many people disagree. For fallout 3 to have been epic it would have had to have had significant replay value but not many people will go through the whole game more than once imo. F2 was a turn based game which involved alot of tactics where as the only tactics needed in F3 is press the vats key , end of story so I aint surprised some of the old fans are a bit miffed but I guess thats just me