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[Okenido]

Odd. I had the exact reversed emotions about elder scrolls 3/4.

I agree about Fallout 3 though. Bethseda has never done humor, grit, choices that matter, or levelling mechanics very well. At least, not consistantly or well. Levelling up your major skills is bad!? What kind of character system is that?!

There is a nifty mod out there for Morrowind that fixes the annoying leveling system <_<.

[Aqizzar]

Alright, this BS about 'butchering' Fallout has got to stop.  We all agree that "Brotherhood of Steel" didn't happen, so that means there were exactly three Fallout games.  Tactics wasn't made by the original Interplay guys either, so let's say the "lore" of the "franchise" comes from two games, released over ten years ago.  At the time, people decried the second game as stepping too far away from the "lore" with it's Doctor Who references and wacky joke vaults.

Let me break it down.  There is no 'Fallout' lore.  There is no 'real' Fallout game that Bethesda 'should' be making.  They bought the rights to a small, if notable, franchise that peetered out a decade ago, and are now making a title they decided would work best for them to make.  Like Fallout 3 or don't, and remember that you haven't seen anything but some screenshots and a couple very short videos, but quit saying there's some other game Bethesda was 'supposed' to make and that this is somehow raping your nostalgia.

By the way, just a tip that all internet arguers should learn - 'right' and 'wrong' without definition, are not descriptions.  All that comes out when you say "they're doing it wrong" is "I want something that validates my concept of a perfect game and respects my imagined memory of enjoying past titles, but I'm not willing or able to describe it."

[Cthulhu]

*Applauds*

You have put into words what churns in my stomach but never finds a way to make itself known.

[Soulwynd]

Well, I'm so glad to find out there are no more hypocrites online.

People are posting their opinions, and even if they are jaded, you don't have to agree with them or put up a scene about it.

[McDoomhammer]

Well, I'm so glad to find out there are no more hypocrites online.

People are posting their opinions, and even if they are jaded, you don't have to agree with them or put up a scene about it.

Pot, kettle, black etc?
I agree with Aquizzar.  And never have I seen so much bile over something that no-one has played yet.

[Soulwynd]

Seriously? I see it everyday whenever I browse anything about games that haven't come out yet.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Let me break it down.  There is no 'Fallout' lore.  There is no 'real' Fallout game that Bethesda 'should' be making.  They bought the rights to a small, if notable, franchise that peetered out a decade ago, and are now making a title they decided would work best for them to make.  Like Fallout 3 or don't, and remember that you haven't seen anything but some screenshots and a couple very short videos, but quit saying there's some other game Bethesda was 'supposed' to make and that this is somehow raping your nostalgia.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Please don't act like your opinions are fact.  Otherwise this is just going to turn into a flame war between two sides completely convinced that they're correct and constantly betting their own genitals after every witty retort.  If you have an arguement to make, just state it and support it.  Don't just start spouting rhetoric and insults.  Otherwise you're no better than Bill O'Reilly.

[Okenido]

If I have to say this again I will.

"Fallout 3 takes place in a A.U. of the Fallout universe!!!!"

It's bad excuse... But it sadly works.

Oh and McDoomhammer have you ever been to any of the Diablo 3 forums?

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

If I have to say this again I will.

"Fallout 3 takes place in a A.U. of the Fallout universe!!!!"

It's bad excuse... But it sadly works.

Where did you read that?  I've never seen any statement like that.

[Okenido]

Game Informer
Issue 171
Page 60
Column 2
"In the alternate history of the Fallout universe many things things were different in the years after World War II"

Dammit... This can be viewed in several different ways. I should of checked that again before saying that...

[Soulwynd]

The fallout universe is an alternative reality. Doesn't mean fallout3 is an AU from the other fallouts. It still uses the same vault schemes, mood, pip, etc. But being a shooter? I still don't like that.

At least that's what I gather from it.

[Xotes]

I don't think anyone reasonable will decry any of those things even after it's released.  Really, those
are your words alone, they say more about you than anyone else.

That is not my actual opinion, don't cha know? I was just making a point because it seems that everyone who talks about F3 apparently hates it. And yes, I've played the first two. Damn fun games. And I (shock horror!) look foward to F3 because I think it will be FUN.

Seriously, go to any forum about Fallout and say that you're looking foward to F3. Prepare to be butchered, in that case. (No Mutants Allowed, I'm looking at you.  )

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Hm after watching a video on YouTube I must retract my statement that someone who bullies people in arguments is no better than Bill O'Reilly.  That's really too severe.  O'Reilly is truly a stain on the fabric of reality.

I don't think anyone reasonable will decry any of those things even after it's released.  Really, those
are your words alone, they say more about you than anyone else.

That is not my actual opinion, don't cha know? I was just making a point because it seems that everyone who talks about F3 apparently hates it. And yes, I've played the first two. Damn fun games. And I (shock horror!) look foward to F3 because I think it will be FUN.

Seriously, go to any forum about Fallout and say that you're looking foward to F3. Prepare to be butchered, in that case. (No Mutants Allowed, I'm looking at you.  )

That's because most Fallout fans hate Fallout 3 for ruining everything they loved about Fallout 1 and 2.  If it comes out and it turns out that the pre-release hype was actually lies and they did actually make a true Fallout sequel I'm sure a large number of those people would change their tune... I hope.

You know what's annoying though?  And this happened with Oblivion too.  People defending it tend to concentrate on one flaw, and may even make a pretty good argument, but then they act as if because they made a good argument against that one flaw, none of the other flaws matter anymore.

[Idiom]

It's Bethesda. We can at least say it will suck without the fan made mods and addons.

[smeej]

I would also like to know what the most important things for Fallout are.

Where did you get that from? I'd assume less that it's an alternate world and more that they are just rewriting the canon as they feel like cos they are allowed to. I think they made Fallout Tactics actual canon? Dunno.

Anyway, huge Fallout and Fallout 2 fan. I'll be preordering this game (I hate preordering) for the Pipboy clock and lunchbox cos I am a sucker for gimmicks. I imagine I will beat the game within a week of acquiring it and either love it or sell it, but I'm sure I'll have a good time either way.