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[Moon Label]

I'm planning re-creating a certain real-life monument, and as detailed as I can -- proportions especially.  "Actual" size, if possible.
How long do you think a grid square is?

Multiple dwarves can fit into one square...and if dwarves are 4-5 feet tall, a Z-level would be what?, including ceiling/floor portions, 10 ft tall?

[Torak]

We've been asking this since ever, and it always comes down to 'As big as the thing in it'. And there's no argument against that.

[Mohreb el Yasim]

you can put more then 2 dwarf in it ... to be honest you can put wathever you want in a squar (try to pit elephants in it you will see ...) i think DF squars arent euclidien or just the courbe of space-time arent less straith ...

[Hishan]

1 square can hold a seed or 400 dragons, it doesnt matter. Although I like to think of them as metre cubes (1x1x1 metres)

[Default Settings]

A square is about the size of a dwarven beer barrel and a beer barrel is always a bit smaller than a dwarf's thirst. Now while thirst makes up an large part of a dwarf's driving forces, only surpassed by moods that usually require roughly nine squares of workshop space, the dwarf can still be stopped by a solid wall beween him and the barrel, so walls have to be higher than even the largest thirst. And the minimal space required for a wall is one square.

QED

[Kogan Loloklam]

I consider them 10 square feet with a space-time fold that allows the mass of something like the entire contents of a mountain to fit in them.

[MMad]

1 dwarves can walk or run comfortably in a 1-tile corridor; 2 dwarves can't.
This is the benchmark I personally use to visualize my constructions.

[FlexibleDogma]

1 dwarves can walk or run comfortably in a 1-tile corridor; 2 dwarves can't.
This is the benchmark I personally use to visualize my constructions.

But a dwarf can also carry a bin full of suits of armor down that same 1 square hallway.
Or a cage holding a bronze colossus.
Or a bed.
Or a solid platinum statue.
Or a single earing. 

Personally I don't try to rationalize what the "real" size of something is.  Since a wagon takes up the same space as 9 dragons or so, I think it's all pretty abstract!  But if I were to guess, I'd guess that dwarves would be using metric anyway, and I'd guess each square is around 3 meters on each side.  Of course, this would make wagons around 30 feet long and wide, or about as long as a school bus if you included the oxen up front!

(Further abstractions: a bin can either hold 10 bars of metal, 10 suits of plate-mail, or 10 gems.  That same bin can hold 25 high boots made of leather, but only 10 made of steel.  And so on...)

[Draco18s]

The best estimate was to use an object that DOES have a limit on how much fits in a tile:  water.

Based on how much water people drink and the amount of water that (injured) dwarves drink you get about 39 to 40 cubic feet of water per tile.

[Tormy]

1 square is as big as the universe from a point of view right now...
Just think, you construct a cage, drop 10000 creatures into it, and it takes 1 tile to hold that 10000 creatures.

[Default Settings]

We already ave wagons, I say it's only a matter of time until we see multi-tile megabeasts.
Possibly capable of enlarging too narrow corridors..

[Tormy]

We already ave wagons, I say it's only a matter of time until we see multi-tile megabeasts.
Possibly capable of enlarging too narrow corridors..

I dont know...in many cases multitile creatures couldnt even reach many places
Example:
X=wall
B=multi tile [2x2] creature

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X       X
X       X
X XXX XXX
X  BB   X
X  BB   X

[PTTG??]

The best estimate was to use an object that DOES have a limit on how much fits in a tile:  water.

Based on how much water people drink and the amount of water that (injured) dwarves drink you get about 39 to 40 cubic feet of water per tile.

Yes, to continue what you said; remember that there are missing features; eventually creatures may have more complex tile-occupancy rules, and items will eventually fill tiles too.

Using water as a constant, as we know the amount of water consumed by a dwarf is roughly equal to that of a human, we can calculate the volume of a tile- that is, 39-40 cu. ft. of water. This is enough water to last 7 people a month, if it's only used for drinking. Now, we know that humans can easily walk in dwarf fortresses, so the rooms are about 6 feet high; this is taller than strictly necessary for dwarves, but it's still more comfortable than otherwise. Since the floor space of the tile needs to be square, we get 2.5 feet.

Of course, this size is flexible; tiles can and do change size as needs require.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I tend to think of DF wagons as something like this

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or this

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[Erom]

I figure them as roughly 5' cubes. Comfortable to work in (but a bit short), uncomfortable for two people to work in.