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[Micro102]

the fun it gives is not worth 50 dollars, an unremovable rootkit that has more control over your computer then you do (the dam thing froze my computer so i would have to restart and then i get an EA update message) and can be updated whenever you connect to the internet, and both not being able to reinstall it on 3 different computers (including changing a single piece of hardware) and not being able to resell it.

also the "anti piracy" measures just encourage piracy and i am convinced that they are just to make EA more money. as that is all they HAVE done.

the gameplay is horrible to. i looked foward to the customization the most. but it turns out that the physics are gone, everything has preset movements, and you dont even really need to put in an effort to make anything that can wipe the floor with anything else. attach 1 piece, congrats you have a fully functional veh that can match that other one with 20 pieces and 2 hours put into designing it because the stupid status system is based on percentage.

how you design anything doesnt matter, and in a couple of phases, what you designed wont matter either. add that to the lowest forms of RTS and RPG/FPS ive ever seen and you have the worst game ive ever played. worst of all was how they didnt mention any of these changes. everything was advertised so widely when it was filled with physics and the underwater stage but when they changed things the onlythign i could find was the new graphics of the cell stage. couldnt even tell how badly the game sucked until thousands of people bought something they didnt want.

and none of that is exagerated.


Fanboy - a term used to describe any individual who is devoted to a single subject in an emotional or fanatical manner, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession

dont see the term "always right" in there.

[Mad Larks]

All I can say is that they need to give us a damn apology. And a better game. And some cake. And a country of our own. Then, MAYBE, I can accept the apology.

Damnit, here I was hoping to create Protoss and all I get is a puddle of fail and disappointment.

Okay, so all the hype sure as hell didn't help, but still...Just...gods damnit...

[Micro102]

its not hype when they change the game after they telll us its something else.

we saw the videos of how the creatures adapted to the weight shift and part. a bird with a gaint head and small legs swayed a LOT, but now the legs move super fast and its head is always upright. its like a flip book with 2 pages

and they also showed a planet with lava...also gone.

i cant imagine how much they stripped form the game and then tried to sell it for the same price.

[Neonivek]

its not hype when they change the game after they telll us its something else.

we saw the videos of how the creatures adapted to the weight shift and part. a bird with a gaint head and small legs swayed a LOT, but now the legs move super fast and its head is always upright. its like a flip book with 2 pages

and they also showed a planet with lava...also gone.

i cant imagine how much they stripped form the game and then tried to sell it for the same price.

No that is quite frankly a great example of Hype. Albiet unintentional hype.

They had early videos which are nothing like the actual game. HOWEVER! every single video, tidbit, and interview since then have done nothing but refute the information contained within them. HECK the 2005 video even states that they were holding the demo up with staples and paste (though if you seen the later videos... you realise that the 2005 Demo might as well have been a video for all they would have had to fake).

The problem is that many of the fans when promoting the game listed the 2005 highly innaccurate video as what the game is based on. which most people simply stopped looking up information after that. In fact in a DICE video they had a few sections of their speaches about how many of the things in the 2005 video quickly became obvious to be impossible. Heck in testiment to Internet Lazyness, which pretty much caused most of the Spore Hype, the DICE videos caused a bunch of rumors on features not in the game... How? Because pictures of what happened in DICE were shown but people ignored the articles, videos, or audioclips they were based on... Effectively taking pictures made to demonstrate the thinking process as official features.

If you kept up with the information at hand the game was almost exactly as indicated... if you looked at the 2005 or listened to the fanhype then the game is drastically different.

we saw the videos of how the creatures adapted to the weight shift and part. a bird with a gaint head and small legs swayed a LOT, but now the legs move super fast and its head is always upright. its like a flip book with 2 pages

See EXACTLY what I mentioned before... your refering to Tweety who is in the 2005 video. ONLY the 2005 video does this.

and they also showed a planet with lava

This is actually in the game in multiple forms. Your not going to see it however except in Space or the rare Volcanic activity (though I don't count that)... Plus Lava Planets arn't exactly super abundant either.


Heck... most hype complaints by fans are based on the 2005 video.

[Rhodan]

Fanboy - a term used to describe any individual who is devoted to a single subject in an emotional or fanatical manner, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession

dont see the term "always right" in there.

There, underlined it for you.   If you have a single point of view, you'll always consider yourself right, no?

[Neonivek]

Fanboy - a term used to describe any individual who is devoted to a single subject in an emotional or fanatical manner, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession

dont see the term "always right" in there.

There, underlined it for you.   If you have a single point of view, you'll always consider yourself right, no?

Is seems likely but no.

Think about it. You probably have a single oppinion on something out there... that if someone came up to you and said something differently you would probably believe it.

[Micro102]

i have been keeping track of spore since 2005. i have kept up with the updates of information. its not noone kept track of any further info. its that they didnt release any. well except the new cell stage (which some people i remember saying they realized spore was going downhill with that) but i checked almost every week after that. nothing. thats why im so dissappointed with this potential scam

i heard of DICE..."after" i bought the game and did some searching. first off it was hell finding the article you mentioned. and ive found articles where they have praised spore. it is also hard to belive one group in something like that. such a small amount of information cannot be expected to reach many spore fans and just expect them to realize "o the game will not be like that"

more then will wrights creater demo shows creatures having graphics. you also have the actual creature stage, remember the three legged alligator thing? how they said you could tell it to eat and walk and combine these verbs into drag food? that IS possible to put into the game.

if thats what you call hype, then i dont think it should be used to defend games which suck.


face it they didnt reveal the real game, people had to find out for themselves. along with finding out there was a root-kit on it as well. but if you have a video that shows all the stages and their cheesy RTS and physicsless creatures then i would love to see it

[Neonivek]

"its that they didnt release any"

No they released a lot of new videos and interviews (They sure took their time refuting the water section of the creature phase)... but lets deal with this one by one. Not on the official website mind you, since there was so much, but it was out there.

"the three legged alligator thing? how they said you could tell it to eat and walk and combine these verbs into drag food? that IS possible to put into the game"

They said it was impossible in the DICE video and also never shown it again since the 2005 video (in fact future eating of meat refuted dragging).

Here to make this conversation move smoothly simply pretend the 2005 doesn't exist. (since your examples are STILL based on the 2005 video... though you can't seem to remember what actually made the cut... and what didn't... since SOME of the things you mention are in the game)

Not saying the game wasn't disapointing (Tribal, Space, and the creature sharing being the most) but the game really did spell out the words "Blandish" in the later information. The largest indicator? Well the Creature Phase and Cell Phase whome were described and demoed that the only things you didn't know about them were actually pleasant surprises... (I never expected squat from the Civilisation phase).

Though I wonder if EA/Maxis should have downright said the 2005 video doesn't count... however judging by the communities masterful ability to misunderstand and lazy information... They probably would have taken that entirely the wrong way.

[Micro102]

then plz. show me these videos which replace the 2005 content. no matter how long ago it was, it holds if they didnt show how the game was going to be released.

and yes it is possible to put verb into the game. they only said the physics were impossible (which i doubt, as ive seen more amazing things accomplished) all it is is a new action. a simple to put in as running instead of walking. or follow

[Skyrage]

Game is fail - that's all there is to it. All not entirely Will's fault though as some may know

[Neonivek]

Alright Micro... I hope I can find them

IGN.com has a ton of them... Try the 15 minute developer video first

[Tormy]

Game is fail - that's all there is to it. All not entirely Will's fault though as some may know

Well yeah, I agree, but on the other hand....the game is quite popular. I find that surprising to be honest.

[Neonivek]

To quote XSpore: "Will's next project will most likely be a criticle failure, leading to a financial success" (not a dirrect quote)

Which I believe is either a stab at Spore being so bad yet popular... Or what I like to believe a Stab at people calling Spore so terrible despite being so popular.

[Micro102]

To quote XSpore: "Will's next project will most likely be a criticle failure, leading to a financial success" (not a dirrect quote)

Which I believe is either a stab at Spore being so bad yet popular... Or what I like to believe a Stab at people calling Spore so terrible despite being so popular.

i think they might have meant that even a critical error by will wright will be a huge success lol

Alright Micro... I hope I can find them

IGN.com has a ton of them... Try the 15 minute developer video first

nice, approximatly 4 videos with gameplay showing the actual changes...only

- they didnt mention how they took out the physics, how you couldnt design your tribal buildings, the whole "defend your eggs" thing was taken out....basically they only said the good stuff and pretended that nothing was removed. not very clear for people who havent even played the game yet

- the 4 "special gameplay" videos were released within a week of the release date, and those were exclusive to ign. and the other videos showing gameplay were released on or after the release date.


since 2005, they waited until a week before the game released to put out videos, in which they did not mention anything being taken out, and most likely after 80% of the buyers reserved or ordered it. So dont expect everyone to check last minute for videos and pick out bits of info based on what they *didn't* show them with the attitude "spore is going to suck" after 4 years of false information. someone probably did...but when you compare who did, to the people who didnt, it doesnt change the 100,000's of people who got the SecuRom installed on there computer by a game that they didnt expect. "the SecruRom wasnt even in the EULA and thats why they ar ebeing sued for it"

EA changed the game years before the videos were released. i expected a video or article saying "the game has been changed the physics are gone, along with this and that and those." but there was nothing like that, just a few videos trying to add to spore rep while taking nothing away. so how are people suppose to know what they were buying?

[Rhodan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA  Original E3 2005 version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQvswZ39vq0&feature=related E3 2006 version. 
Already you can clearly see they toned down the creature physics a lot.   You can also see how they chopped it up in stages and how cities are now completely round.  There's still a hut editor, though.  I think they might release it later, like the flora editor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_U9Tx17RA&feature=PlayList&p=F1065344C887EA68&playnext=1&index=19 E3 2007 version.
Here you can see the cell stage as it is now.  Most stages already look a lot like they are now.  You could still beam down in Space stage though, but I think they just shoved that into the expansion.

So anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is, that some people here shouldn't be allowed to argue on the internet.  I could easily find videos showing the development of Spore year after year, yet somehow people moan about noone releasing videos one week before Spore came out.  I mean, come on.
Of course they didn't list all the things they had to cut, and of course they set up all kinds of interesting scenarios, camera angles and hacked in a few incomplete features that might not be feasible in the long run.  They have to sell their game, in all its aspects, before it's even finished.  I bet Will Wright spent hours practicing putting together a creature that wouldn't glitch terribly when walking because the scripts weren't finished yet.

Even though Spore could have been a lot better, it's still here and it's still successful.  This means other companies will likely copy it and improve on it.  In only a few years we'll have RTS games where you get to design your own structures, ships and units, RPG's where you can design your own summons, mutated trees, you name it.  There's already a few games that do that.
The technology could even be used to allow other game developers to import a sort of "Creature Creator Library" and the like into their code so they can use the creature creator to design the monsters for the game, and the library does all the texturing and animating for them.  That'd be awesome if done right.