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[Croquantes]

Yeah, the game's only mediocre, but the price makes that okay. Besides, I'll prolly get more mileage out of this game than some of the $60 console games collecting dust on my shelf.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I doubt that there will be a "full demo" actually. 

What makes you think that?

[Jusal]

Okay, so what is so bad about this game caeono? Care to explain? Now I am kinda worried..maybe I shouldn't buy it? 

I'll try: Hinterland is pretty much what you've seen in the trailers, screenshots and what you've been told about it. Don't expect it to be much more and you'll be fine. When I started playing I felt a little underwhelmed, but the game kind of grows on you once you've played it for a while. It seems really simple at first, but gets better.

The combat is very simple. It isn't much more besides using your possible buff items at the beginning and then just holding the mouse button down over the enemy, drinking the occassional healing potion when necessary. It's also fast paced to the point when it's difficult to see what's going on. This makes using ranged attacks especially hard and I really hope they'll do something about it eventually.

As I mentioned in my earlier post Hinterland also has a large collection of small glitches and rough edges. Everything from a few of the starting character classes being almost impossible to play on the harder difficulty levels to your party members getting stuck in various objects to some of the windows not refreshing until you close them and open them up again. My current favorite is the lack of a quick key for the region map, which makes repeatedly opening and closing it more of a chore than you'd imagine.

Okay, I think I managed to address all the major reasons why some people might not like it. Hinterland seems like a real opinion splitter in any case (I can't wait to see how the official reviews turn out). It's like you had just found a many years old but innovative game and were trying it for the first time. It feels fresh, but on the other hand you keep hoping that they had done these certain things in a different way, even though you don't have a better game of the same concept to compare it to.

I should also mention that while it may sound something like Majesty it really isn't. Granted, it combines RPG elements with strategy but in a very different way.

I also quite liked this "first impressions review" of the game.

[Tormy]

I doubt that there will be a "full demo" actually. 

What makes you think that?

Tilted Mill is a small company, and the game is only available for sale via digital download. That is what it makes me think that there won't be a "full demo".  ..but again I might be wrong of course.


Jusal - Thanks for the mini review. Yeah I've read about the "very simple" combat already. 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Uh...  you do know what is meant by "full demo", right? Here in russia we get pirates releasing games like Starshatter on DVDs...

[Tormy]

Uh...  you do know what is meant by "full demo", right? Here in russia we get pirates releasing games like Starshatter on DVDs...

Oh.....sorry now I got it what do you mean. Nah I am totally against piracy. If you don't have money to buy games, well even in that case this shouldn't be an option. Wait for a demo or something if you would like to try out the games.. I've probably wasted like 2k euros on games so far [wasted since I am not even playing with them], but ah well. [Not that spending 2k euros in a couple of years is a big money, I earn much more money / month even...but I am still mad at myself hehe, since with some games I wasnt even playing for 2 days, those were so "crap" sadly] I've decided a few weeks ago, that I will download demos and try out the games before I buy them actually. I am not sure that I will buy Hinterland or not if there won't be a demo, since the reviews are quite bad.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Which is why trying out "full demos" is crucial. I am glad I tried the full version of Spore, because it was a very big disappointment. The publisher and the developer don't lose anything if you try the "full demo" and then buy the game rightly, but if the game is not good enough to be bought, well - that's their problem mostly. I'd weather any draconian DRM if Spore would be at least half of what it was supposed to be, but we didn't get as much as 5% of it, so I won't even consider supporing the developers.

[Tormy]

Which is why trying out "full demos" is crucial. I am glad I tried the full version of Spore, because it was a very big disappointment. The publisher and the developer don't lose anything if you try the "full demo" and then buy the game rightly, but if the game is not good enough to be bought, well - that's their problem mostly. I'd weather any draconian DRM if Spore would be at least half of what it was supposed to be, but we didn't get as much as 5% of it, so I won't even consider supporing the developers.

Well yeah, you have some valid points I guess. Either way I won't be fooled again [Spore? Yes I've bought it, and uninstalled that crap in one day  ]
so I will definitely try out all games before buying, but normal demos are perfectly enough for me. Actually if there is a game, what I would buy even without looking at a single screenshot, that is the upcoming fantasy TBS by Stardock. I simply know that it will be one of the best games ever. 

[Sean Mirrsen]

Sometimes demos are not enough. For example, most demos consist of "the best" the game has to offer, and the full game's quality if much worse than what is shown. I can't think of any recent example (due to my practice of not trying demos, naturally), but an old one would be Severance: Blade of Darkness. The demo could almost make you think you got four games for the price of one, when actually only the first level was different for each character. That, and the Amazon's level was by far the best designed of the whole game...

[Tormy]

Sometimes demos are not enough. For example, most demos consist of "the best" the game has to offer, and the full game's quality if much worse than what is shown. I can't think of any recent example (due to my practice of not trying demos, naturally), but an old one would be Severance: Blade of Darkness. The demo could almost make you think you got four games for the price of one, when actually only the first level was different for each character. That, and the Amazon's level was by far the best designed of the whole game...

Yeah, I understand your point of view, and its pretty much logical also. 

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

Uh...  you do know what is meant by "full demo", right? Here in russia we get pirates releasing games like Starshatter on DVDs...

Woah woah woah!
We get the same here, in Indonesia. Pirated games released in DVDs and dual-layered DVDs. Hell, they sold like 5 $ for a computer game, and 0.6 $ for a PS2 games. But you get the free one by T0rr3ntz.

Well, we also have Pirata movies everywhere, from the slum below the highways 'til the grandest apartements. The pirate's blood running in our veins... or it's just 'GREED'?

[Anfold]

Uh...  you do know what is meant by "full demo", right? Here in russia we get pirates releasing games like Starshatter on DVDs...

Woah woah woah!
We get the same here, in Indonesia. Pirated games released in DVDs and dual-layered DVDs. Hell, they sold like 5 $ for a computer game, and 0.6 $ for a PS2 games. But you get the free one by T0rr3ntz.

Well, we also have Pirata movies everywhere, from the slum below the highways 'til the grandest apartements. The pirate's blood running in our veins... or it's just 'GREED'?

Its the fact that no one cares enough to enforce the copyright laws, especially when nobody in their right mind would spend 60 usd on what is most likely to be a complete p.o.s.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Well, no, people do try to enforce the copyright laws around here, periodically blowing these "popsicle stands" out of business with well-timed raids, but I'd like to think the government and the authorities have enough common sense to understand that this kind of "denial of service" will at the very least annihilate their chances at the next elections. It's not like people will stop playing pirated games, they'll just switch over to the free file sharing nets, but many will be offended by the convenience of not having to burn the downloaded disc being taken away from them.

[Tormy]

Well, no, people do try to enforce the copyright laws around here, periodically blowing these "popsicle stands" out of business with well-timed raids, but I'd like to think the government and the authorities have enough common sense to understand that this kind of "denial of service" will at the very least annihilate their chances at the next elections. It's not like people will stop playing pirated games, they'll just switch over to the free file sharing nets, but many will be offended by the convenience of not having to burn the downloaded disc being taken away from them.

Yeah I've read some articles about torrents and piratebay for example.

[Torak]

Sometimes demos are not enough. For example, most demos consist of "the best" the game has to offer, and the full game's quality if much worse than what is shown. I can't think of any recent example (due to my practice of not trying demos, naturally), but an old one would be Severance: Blade of Darkness. The demo could almost make you think you got four games for the price of one, when actually only the first level was different for each character. That, and the Amazon's level was by far the best designed of the whole game...

Severance is still an amazing game, misleading demo or not.