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[Strangething]

Working metal without magma is a pain. The fact that you need fuel to process coal makes it a tricky balancing act. Here's a trick I figured out trying to make metal on a map with no trees.

Mark one block of coke as forbidden. That way, when you get the "no refined fuel" cancellation messages, you'll actually have one left. Make sure you cancel all forge and furnace jobs that aren't "make coke" before you reclaim the block, or your armorer might grab the last block to make an iron helmet or something.

[Boatmurderer]

I always do that as a rule of thumb, as well as constantly have a "Make Charcoal" job queued.

[Teeto_K]

I've been using "EMERGENCY USE ONLY" forbidding on my ammo (Don't have strong enough metal industry to pump out steel bolts, so I don't want all my wood/bone ones used up on targets), I hadn't thought to do it with charcoal. Not a big deal so far as the goblin offenses haven't gotten "serious", and I can always chop more wood.

But I think I will be using this tip, just in case things get serious before my walled in tree farms become a reality.

[Baro]

I was having a horrible time with fuel for a while.  I only had a tiny corner of the map that would grow trees and since it was in the corner I couldn't wall it off so it was always ambush danger when we went out to harvest the 10 or so that would grow.

Luckily while searching for coal I found a cave river!  I mined out almost an entire Z level for tower cap farming and it works nice!  Better yet while mining out the tower cap farm I found more coal than I could possibly need to tide me over till the tower caps grow.

So my advise.. when in doubt, dig!

[Peewee]

I did the same thing... It's been about 2 seasons since the flood dried up, and now the entire tower cap farm is covered with (thank goodness small) cave spider webs. I swear it probably looks something like that scene in LotR with the GCS.

[Boatmurderer]

That GCS in LoTR was a named spider, too! No title, though...

[KrataLightblade]

"Daughter of Ungoliant" and "Mistress of Cirith-Ungol" don't count?

[pushy]

Similar things come in handy for dealing with some moods (cloth and silk can disappear very quickly if you make use of clothiers, and then you get a fey dwarf who wants it and none to give him...so I tend to do this with thread that can be very quickly turned into silk/cloth for a moody dwarf, but whether it's forbidden or it's left as thread it would never be touched by the dwarves who are beavering away making mittens for caravans)

[Jude]

OMG

"Shelob summons spiders" what if the GCSs in DF could mass-summon spiders like spider uniques in Angband? Dwarf's worst nightmare...


In other news, me and a friend who also loves DF decided that any game which doesn't involve dwarves is bullshit, and then we wanted to play every game in which you can be a dwarf. We thought of Baldur's Gate, and were all stoked to play a game with a dwarf-only party, till we found there are only two dwarf NPCs in the whole game who will join you, AND that dwarves can only be fighters, clerics, and, of all things, thieves. Ain't that some shit? Not even Threshers!

This post is off topic because of severe sleep deprivation

[Blucher]

OMG

"Shelob summons spiders" what if the GCSs in DF could mass-summon spiders like spider uniques in Angband? Dwarf's worst nightmare...


In other news, me and a friend who also loves DF decided that any game which doesn't involve dwarves is bullshit, and then we wanted to play every game in which you can be a dwarf. We thought of Baldur's Gate, and were all stoked to play a game with a dwarf-only party, till we found there are only two dwarf NPCs in the whole game who will join you, AND that dwarves can only be fighters, clerics, and, of all things, thieves. Ain't that some shit? Not even Threshers!

This post is off topic because of severe sleep deprivation

Okay, this is waay off topic but do yourself (and your friend) a huge favor and get Baldur's Gate (II if you have to choose) and play it.

[Boatmurderer]

"Daughter of Ungoliant" and "Mistress of Cirith-Ungol" don't count?

Naw. That's Shelob's family. Now if it was Shelob the Darkness of Pants or something like that, that would be a title!

If your family counted as a title, Larry would be all kinds of powerful for his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl.

[Quiller]

Yeah BG2 you can get a dwarf in your party who is a homicidal maniac, perfect for the DF player!

Mention should be made of Arcanum since you can do Steampunk dwarves in it, for your gun toting, grenade throwing dwarf fantasies.

The Shadows of Undrentide expansion for Neverwinter Nights has a female dwarf cleric/rogue NPC who is pretty good.  And NWN will at least let you make your dwarf mage if you want.

But the OP's tip is good, and one that I started doing when I had no magma and relied on coal supplies.   Careful coal management is especially important when you want to dress your army in steel on a magma-less map as it requires at least 5 bars of coke per item made (2 for iron bars, 1 for pig iron, 1 for steel, 1 for item) and you're generally using the same personnel and facilities for both metal smelting and making coke from coal.  You can automate steel production by setting up a coke, iron, iron, coke, pig iron, steel sequence on repeat at a smelter if you have bituminous coal.  Forging the items requires additional coke which has to be added to the sequence or done in an additional smelter.

[d3c0y2]

in icewind dale II you could have lots of fun with an all dwarf party.