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Author Topic: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges  (Read 1743 times)

Hishan

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Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« on: July 30, 2008, 09:36:30 am »

Ive noticed in 9/10 worlds i generate, none of the dwarven civs are at war with any of the other civs. Meaning i will NEVER get seiged or ambushed.

This I feel, is not in the spirit of DF. I want to be able to mutilate my enemies with devious traps and killing rooms!

The basic question is: Is there any way to increase the amount of enemies you have? Hence, increase your amounts of seiges
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 09:39:35 am »

I have heard of using adventurers for starting wars, but have never seen it myself.
robbing their caravans should affect relations too.
failing to protect those precious caravans or officials also does IMHO.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 09:53:48 am »

Try to make the characteristics of races in the raws more extreme ( = meat eating, ... ). It sure helps over here.

*warning, grammar nazi approaching*
It's siege by the way.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 09:54:19 am »

I think no matter what, the goblins still remain hostile to your civ, even if they're at a period of peace. I guess it's supposed to be a strained peace.

I've been told this is what the red ------- means next to the goblins. I can confirm that they will in fact send snatchers, which probably means after a while, they will eventually declare war on my little site.

This is, of course, assuming the goblins even exist in a given world as a political entity.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 09:58:36 am »

I think no matter what, the goblins still remain hostile to your civ, even if they're at a period of peace. I guess it's supposed to be a strained peace.

I've been told this is what the red ------- means next to the goblins. I can confirm that they will in fact send snatchers, which probably means after a while, they will eventually declare war on my little site.

This is, of course, assuming the goblins even exist in a given world as a political entity.

They ---- sent me an ambush. Scum.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 10:17:07 am »

Yeah, I've been getting sieged by the ----- goblins.  You need to have at least 80 dwarves, though.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 10:34:30 am »

Oh so the ----- means normal goblins pretty much? I thought they needed that big WAR thing next to their name. In that case I think im fine, almost all the time I get ----- with goblins
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2008, 10:36:57 am »

yeah, ------ seems to invariably break down into war. if that fails. Just drown human and elven diplomats and traders till profit
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 10:48:13 am »

I recall Toady, or someone, mentioning that so long as the [BABYSNATCHER] tag is in place, goblins will be hostile as a stop-gap measure to ensure sieges since the world-gen politics aren't up to scratch yet in that regard.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 10:54:09 am »

Ive noticed in 9/10 worlds i generate, none of the dwarven civs are at war with any of the other civs. Meaning i will NEVER get seiged or ambushed.

This I feel, is not in the spirit of DF. I want to be able to mutilate my enemies with devious traps and killing rooms!

The basic question is: Is there any way to increase the amount of enemies you have? Hence, increase your amounts of seiges

You will have to wait for the Army Arc to be completed. You will have plenty of action after that, Im pretty sure.  ;)
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 11:40:52 am »

The basic question is: Is there any way to increase the amount of enemies you have? Hence, increase your amounts of seiges

I've read in some other threads (and I'm going to try this in the next world I generate) that to get wars from the start, you generate worlds up to 1050, read the legends to find the years when one or more of the dwarven civs are at war with the humans or elves, then re-use the seeds and regenerate that world up to that year.

For example, if I find that in 354 the humans start a war with a dwarven civ, I would generate a new world with the same seeds, except I would stop at 354 instead of 1050. Then I'd embark with that particular dwarven civ, which is already at war with a human or elven civ.

For extra mayhem, embark at a location smack in the middle of the enemy civ.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 11:55:13 am »

Attacking diplomats will bring sieges. I just had a civ of humans who were trading with me previously come with a small army that was shortly dismembered.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 12:38:29 pm »

The basic question is: Is there any way to increase the amount of enemies you have? Hence, increase your amounts of seiges
For example, if I find that in 354 the humans start a war with a dwarven civ, I would generate a new world with the same seeds, except I would stop at 354 instead of 1050. Then I'd embark with that particular dwarven civ, which is already at war with a human or elven civ.

I heard you should generate one year farther.  So, in the example, gen to 355.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 11:04:03 am »

Well, there's an easy solution to the no enemies when Army Arc is done.
Build your own army and start the war yourself.
Or you could even send a messenger and six marksdwarves to the goblins, then declare war when the messenger is kicked into a giant pit.
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Re: Lack of enemies? Hence lack of seiges
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 11:10:44 am »

I have heard of using adventurers for starting wars, but have never seen it myself.
robbing their caravans should affect relations too.
failing to protect those precious caravans or officials also does IMHO.

I would like to hear more about this.
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