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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #135 on: October 07, 2008, 11:54:07 am »

Absolutely epic dev_now update today.  I'm excited all over again.  dev_now should be fun to watch again soon.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #136 on: October 07, 2008, 11:59:21 am »

Absolutely epic dev_now update today.

Yeah it is!
I love these long and detailed dev notes.  8)
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #137 on: October 07, 2008, 12:06:15 pm »

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(and some new parts like teeth, claws/nails, lips, ribs, hair, etc.)

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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #138 on: October 07, 2008, 03:23:12 pm »

First thing to do in new version:  Punch out an elf's teeth, and then start pulling his hair.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #139 on: October 07, 2008, 03:47:20 pm »

First thing to do in new version:  Punch out an elf's teeth, and then start pulling his hair.

Visualization of an upcoming DF feature:

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« Reply #140 on: October 07, 2008, 03:48:08 pm »

That's a 404, Tormy.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #141 on: October 07, 2008, 03:51:52 pm »

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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #142 on: October 07, 2008, 06:36:41 pm »

Sweet looking stuff up there today with the rewrite of some of the creature bodies and damage code.  I was wondering, Toady, if you would be able to address the "MIRV Crossbow Bolts" oddity that crops up on particular crits.  You know, when a bolt seems to go in an eye, break a neck, purée a lung and come out the left knee. 

It's hilarious, but it contributes to some of the range/melee balance issues, because there's always a chance that every arrow will annihilate five major organs and snap off a toe.  I was wondering if the new body/tissue layouts would have an effect on crits and organ damage?
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #143 on: October 07, 2008, 07:02:14 pm »

Regarding scratches, will multiple scratches in the same area slowly open up wounds or start to cause pain? I'm envisioning a giant being swarmed by rats or piranhas or something here, and it would make some of the lamer cave monsters more interesting if you saw one and suddenly had to worry if there were enough around to swarm you.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #144 on: October 07, 2008, 07:10:07 pm »

Sweet looking stuff up there today with the rewrite of some of the creature bodies and damage code.  I was wondering, Toady, if you would be able to address the "MIRV Crossbow Bolts" oddity that crops up on particular crits.  You know, when a bolt seems to go in an eye, break a neck, purée a lung and come out the left knee. 

It's hilarious, but it contributes to some of the range/melee balance issues, because there's always a chance that every arrow will annihilate five major organs and snap off a toe.  I was wondering if the new body/tissue layouts would have an effect on crits and organ damage?
It's not that crazy, it's just the way damage is dealt that needs to be changed somehow.  A bolt can hit anything in a given larger bodypart, for instance heart liver and both lungs if the bolt hits the upper body.  It's fun, but probably wouldn't be missed.


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As a result of tissue layering, the 15 HP per BP system is being more or less dropped to make way for individual wound tracking. Unless you look at the specific descriptions, you'll still have wounded BP lists and so on displayed in pretty much the same way, though. Aside from having more accurate combat text (though I'm not sure if that's coming with this push) and the scars/improved healing/pain management that come from wound tracking, it also means that smaller creatures will be able to cause very slight wounds to large creatures in many cases where they'd do nothing before. A 1 out of 15 guaranteed BP HP drop is too large in many cases (thus the current no-damage chances), but adding a scratch to the skin tissue doesn't have to count for so much. So even if you aren't really hurting the titan, at least you can make little marks on it and bother it or something.

That is just awesome, and finally a real understanding of how damage currently works (and of course soon to be rendered irrelevant).  Man, I can't wait to crack open raws with tissues and proper phenotyping.  One of my favorite forum quotes-
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #145 on: October 09, 2008, 07:23:45 am »

I want to tear out someone's rib and stab them in the hair with it.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #146 on: October 09, 2008, 08:58:52 am »

I want to tear out someone's rib and stab them in the hair with it.

 Or do it the other way around.
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #147 on: October 09, 2008, 11:12:43 am »

I want to tear out someone's rib and stab them in the hair with it.

 Or do it the other way around.

This sounds like a good idea for an action sequence in Halloween part X.  ;D
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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #148 on: October 11, 2008, 03:17:00 pm »

The latest dev notes are just plain awesome:

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Squads would be associated to their entity position rather than their commander's position, so if the commander goes off and does something they'd still generally be mindful of their orders

Ah, finally, I think many of us were waiting for this one. It was annoying when the dwarves were following the commander all over the fortress.  8)

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I'll also be messing with the barracks (probably splitting sleeping/sparring functions and doing squad assignments) and training. The new body system might be enough to get rid of enough of the permanent nerve damage during high-level sparring (as there'd be bones to protect sensitive tissues), and I'll probably put in commander-guided sparring for low-skill dwarves (with a few associated skills for that, and perhaps some well-defined stages for that). I'll also include some personality effects that'll lower problems for dwarves that have a touch of caution. Rather than capping weapon skills for training dwarves, there will likely be a few new skills and other bits of knowledge that are more readily learned during actual combat, though a commander with those skills and the ability to teach will probably be able to pass many of those along in part.

Injuries related to sparring will be balanced!..and also commander guided sparring for newbie dwarves..epic, absolutely epic!  :)

Toady, I would like to mention something, what is related to the Army Arc. I've suggested this a while ago:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=23784.0

It would be nice to have a more detailed equipping system for the military dwarves. Personally I would like to equip my soldiers with a specific gear most of the time. It's very hard -and takes a lot of time- to equip the dwarves with the proper gear now. [Lock them into a room with the items, and let them pick those up] It's just annoying when there's a quality axe available, but the dwarf decides to pick up the worst one, since its totally random right now. [..not to mention that sometime a newbie dwarf is picking up the best weapon, now that is also annoying.]


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Re: The NEW Future of the Fortress
« Reply #149 on: October 11, 2008, 03:30:52 pm »

I'm just going to quote something posted on another forum.

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT FORMATIONS + SPARRING FIXES FUCK YEAR

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FUCK YES SPARRERS NOT BECOMING VEGETATIVE MAYBE.

That about sums up my thoughts about the current devblog. Nothing else to add.
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