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Naze

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Creatures won't appear
« on: July 16, 2008, 06:15:04 pm »

Some of the creatures I made won't appear for anything during world gen or even after it. But others appear in such huge numbers, IE: 1189531 Grox...
Here's a copy of one of the raws. And yes I know the creature isn't a genestealer copy, but rather a deformed creature.

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[CREATURE:GENESTEALER]
   [NAME:brood brother:brood brothers:brood brother]
   [TILE:'G'][COLOR:7:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:5]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:20]
   [CARNIVORE][NATURAL]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
   [PREFSTRING:mutation]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:1EYE:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:2EYESTALKS:SIX_TENTACLES:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:4FINGERS:3TOES:MOUTH]
   [SIZE:7]
   [CANNOT_UNDEAD]
   [MAXAGE:50:60]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RUTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LUTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RMTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LMTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RLTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LLTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:genestealer hatchling:genestealer hatchlings]
   [FAT:4]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:20:30]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 06:17:24 pm »

I don't see a [CLUSTERSIZE:~:~] tag.  You need one even if the creature is supposed to be solitary.

Naze

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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 06:22:43 pm »

I have some creatures that have the clustersize tag but still don't appear
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 08:10:33 pm »

You've also got [NATURAL] and [CANNOT_UNDEAD].  I don't believe I've seen those together before on a creature.  Maybe they're conflicting?  Other than that nothing pops out at me...  I take it you've checked your errorlog?

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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 08:44:20 pm »

Check the error log and post some of it down here.
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 08:57:21 pm »

The error logs are clean, this is the only thing in it.
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loop path fail: <same square> imperial,170,143,15 -> 170,138,15: Id #3043:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Mill Building at 170,138,15
loop path fail: <same square> imperial,186,137,16 -> 220,256,15: Id #3041:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Mill Anywhere at 219,257,15
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 08:59:08 pm »

i don't see any frequency:# in there.
stealers shouldn't be butcherable,  what's default if there's no tag? shouldn't have fat anyway :P
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 09:44:22 pm »

They're brood brothers, not genestealers, anyway even the creatuers I have with a frequency number don't get genned.
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2008, 10:19:26 pm »

i did ntocie that, then promptly forgot, sry ;)

Raise the homeotherm? Tho I notice spiders share that 10040, but you could try raising it and/or giving them layering, tho i imagine the layering doesn't have much effect till they're local level.

Gusswork, idk.. that kind of population number is similar to magma men &  giant cave spiders(yet they have frequencies) but you don't find many of them about, perhaps increasing it quite massively till you find instances of them, then scaling it back down
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2008, 10:31:45 pm »

I'm more interested in the demon races I made. Here is one of them, I can't tell what's stopping them.
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[CREATURE:DAEMONETTE]
   [NAME:daemonette:daemonettes:slaaneshi]
   [TILE:'s'][COLOR:5:0:1]
   [SPEED:700][GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
   [FLEEQUICK][trAPAVOID][BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
   [GENPOWER:3]
   [INTELLIGENT]
   [CANOPENDOORS]
   [FREQUENCY:50]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:50:100]
   [MAXAGE:10000:20000]
   [PREFSTRING:daemonic visage]
   [PREFSTRING:fiendish pleasures]
   [CANNOT_UNDEAD]
   [PREFSTRING:feminine wiles]
   [NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP][NOFEAR][NOEXERT][NONAUSEA]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH]
   [NARROW][CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:7]
   [DAMBLOCK:20]
   [SIZE:14]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:6:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:backhand:backhands:1:6:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [ATTACK:SECOND:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:3:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
   [FAT:1]
   [FEMALE]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [FIXED_TEMP:10067]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:1500]
   [PERSONALITY:ACTIVITY_LEVEL:10:20:39]
   [PERSONALITY:ASSERTIVENESS:100:100:100]
   [PERSONALITY:EXCITEMENT_SEEKING:100:100:100]
   [PERSONALITY:LIBERALISM:100:100:100]
   [PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:5:30]
   [PERSONALITY:SYMPATHY:5:30:90]
   [PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:30:35:70]
   [PERSONALITY:SELF_EFFICACY:100:100:100]
   [PERSONALITY:IMMODERATION:100:100:100]
   [SPHERE:CHAOS]
   [SPHERE:BEAUTY]
   [SPHERE:LUST]
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2008, 10:36:20 pm »

personally, i've only tried playing with creatures using [CREATURE:ALREADYEXISTINGTAG]

and editing that, when i removed flies altogether (haha) game refused to start, so I assumed it only looked for already known entries. Not saying that's your problem, but somebody could take this opportunity to disabuse me of the notion ;)
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2008, 11:43:20 pm »

I'm having the same problem with a certain custom megabeast, it only sometimes appears during worldgen, even on large worlds.
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 03:39:27 am »

For brood brothers, maybe you are looking in the wrong places? SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM will mean that the creatures will only appear in caves or chasms - and the game doesn't count creatures in chasms. I'd report that as a bug btw.

For demons, I think it may be the game making assumptions about their mortality - since they're mortal, albeit extremely long-lived, and cannot reproduce due to all being female, the game might just leave them out of worldgen. Also, without NATURAL they won't spawn in the wilds.
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 01:15:00 pm »

personally, i've only tried playing with creatures using [CREATURE:ALREADYEXISTINGTAG]

and editing that, when i removed flies altogether (haha) game refused to start, so I assumed it only looked for already known entries. Not saying that's your problem, but somebody could take this opportunity to disabuse me of the notion ;)

When you edit the creature files, then you must remove the matching files in data/objects. Then, if you actually create or remove anything, not just editing, you must also create a new world. You will actually end up getting some really weird errors if you use [CREATURE:ALREADYEXISTINGTAG] without deleting the creature you stole the name from because the game will read it as a creature duplication.
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Re: Creatures won't appear
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2008, 12:56:19 pm »

You only need to remove the files in data/objects if you remove or rename an existing text file in the raws, if I remember correctly. It wouldn't hurt to try that anyway, though.
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