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[Metal Chao]

Hang on I think I've got it.

There are many stories (well at least one) on the site about elves recruiting the help of animal-men in wars.
Maybe the ridiculous elf zerg is just temporary so Toady can try and balance it to the numbers elves will have with their mutant friends.

On an unrelated note, ents are cool.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I was thinking of changing the elves' eating habits to PERSONAL_MATTER, and lowering their overall hostility by changing their reaction to killing animals, plants and trees to something less extreme. I mean, harming a plant as UNTHINKABLE? JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON would be better fitting to that. I mean, even Tolkien's ents were more or less tolerant to the harming of the trees for good enough reasons.

The goblins, on the other hand, could use a bit more enmity to them. For example, their reaction to eating the corpses could be increased - "personal matter" is rarely enough. They have a surprisingly large amount of "personal matters", which makes them as a race a little too tolerant. They're supposed to be evil.

Humans, on the other hand, could use more tolerance. "Unthinkable" for eating a fallen enemy is too harsh, "appalling" would sum it up better. Cannibalism is really "unthinkable". Making trophies of your own kin would upset the humans as well, "appalling".

I think in general, the races need a good ethics balance.

I'll go try and make them work.

[Neonivek]

The Way Elves are currently set up it sounds like they are even more psychopathic then usual

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Seriously, I wish scenarios like that would arise in wars and the like. A few highly skilled, trained troops in a strategic position against a massive but underequipped and underskilled army, ala the Battle of Thermopylae. Or hell, even just other situations like history's last stands, like the Alamo.

This could be based on the tactical intelligence of the military leader modified by a factor based on how well his race likes that terrain and their army's number of successful battles.

It's not that the humans have super powers, it's that the elves are just really weak (even if they do eat your brains to get your power if they manage to win).

The constant battles are because they attack the humans for abusing plants and animals (which they do all the time - chopping down trees and hunting) and the humans attack them back for eating their dead in the last war.. and so it becomes a vicious cycle.

Mo' like DELICIOUS CYCLE

[PTTG??]

I gave elves a maximum lifespan and -2 instead of -1, although that may not have an effect on worldgen wars. I also gave goblins maturity at 8 and got rid of no_multibirth. They still all asploded. Someone needs to bulk up goblins better. Maybe give them firebreathing.

[Koji]

I like the way it goes now. Humans and dwarves just try and do their thing, while elves are like an ethnocentric culture that has wildly different beliefs. Goblins are evil, but they have the good sense not to make too much noise about it, and so they don't get everyone constantly warring with them.

I really love the new elven flavor. I haven't seen it done better anywhere else. Elves are finally more than just pretty humans with pointy ears.

[Erk]

Yes, these fey cannibalistic elves are gonna be adopted into my d&d campaign as the Sidhe, the wood elves. I like their flavour, and apparently they like mine?

I do agree that for DF elves need to be a teeny bit more tolerant, and goblins a darn sight less. I still think it should be goblins wiping out other cultures, not elves.

[Qmarx]

Elves are finally more than just pretty humans with pointy ears.

Yep.  Now they're pretty humans with pointy teeth!

[Erk]

My elves didn't seem to be too big on the cannibalism. instead they were big on the persistant conflict and failure. They'd attack again and again, rejecting peace, accepting peace only to start a new war over "the mistreatment of plants" or "the display of trophies" or "truthfulness", get trounced again, and come back a year later. Within a century they had gone from being the greatest civilisation and the major cause of megabeast death all the way to extinction... and nobody else ever started a war with them!

[Rilder]

Immagine if the elves keep there attacking numbers when siege armies get transfered into dwarf mode. (provided elves can wardec you)

1000+ Elves storming your fortress? 

Edit:

"The thousand nations of the Elven Empire descend upon you, our wooden weapons will blot out the sun"

[Qmarx]

Immagine if the elves keep there attacking numbers when siege armies get transfered into dwarf mode. (provided elves can wardec you)

1000+ Elves storming your fortress? 

Dwarven math:
War + elves = Flammable armor + magma.

[Gigalith]

I generated a world where the elves lost. Once civilization was completely owned in ten years, and after that the old elven "forest" retreats started logging (I'm serious. The area around them rapidly decreased in trees during worldgen) and had roads built out of them. In fact, they were so utterly crushed that their last leader (who appears to be still alive, but hiding Hiroo Onoda-style in the forests) was an escaped slave. Now that's sad.

EDIT: Also, I forgot to mention that it was an ice-age world. So this poor ex-slave guerrilla "queen" shivers in the icy forests outside her former homes, that are now ruled by her former masters who are destroying the very things her race tried to protect. Now that almost makes me sorry for her.

Almost.   

[Boomer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYdd4fMtW_A

Their theme song. They rock to this as they zerg rush.

[Tiler]

Hmmm... I've been trying to modify a militaristic custom race to counterbalance the elves. They're mortal and approve of torture, cutting trees, but are utterly opposed to desecration of the fallen, and they have a king to keep them all together in the same boat. I figured they could help keep the elf menace in check and give the humans some breathing room.

They succeeded a little too well, carrying out a brutal campaign that saw the end of an entire elven kingdom... I really need to get the hang of modding. D:

Nevertheless, this is the first time I've ever seen cannibalistic, horde based elves. I suppose one could cut down their birth rate, and therefore perhaps their aggressiveness, by making their kids age a lot slower. I'll have to test that next, isntead of trying to fight fire with fire.

[Jamuk]

IMHO, the new evil elves and peaceful goblins rock, why do we have to follow the mythology of other games?  DF is a different game, and in the DF community elves are generally more disliked than goblins.  I mean, goblins bring us gifts of metal and clothes! Why should we fight those who help us?  The  tree huggers who want us to follow their misguided ideas are the true villains.  Those pompous jerks consider the rats and flies that inhabit the world more precious than the people in it! I say let their true evil ways shine through! No longer shall we listen as we are told what to do!  I say they should be differentiated even further!  Nobody likes those pretty boys anyway.  The goblins have more in common with the dwarves than those elves do.  At least they understand what really matters, monetary value.  They're willing to fight for valuables just like the dwarves do as well.  Why not strike a truce up? There are plenty of shiny trinkets for both races.  The dwarves and goblins could kill the hordes of immortal scum if they worked together.