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[DwarfMan69]

my standard world has no elvish civilizations.

WHERE DID I GO WRONG!?

You went right. No elves is a good thing.

[Erk]

So, now that ToadyOne has confirmed in the bugs forum that elven war tendencies are intentional, I have a few curiosities and a few... well, requests I guess.

1) I wonder if diplomacy will be tweaked to make elves somewhat more likely to wage war on the goblins and kobolds and such. If not, then they are quite clearly more of an Evil Race now, albeit one with more cause for their actions than simple malice.

2) Will humans who worship nature gods learn to respect elven ways? I would like to see elven war have a purpose, forcing surviving humans to not chop down trees and hunt animals. Otherwise we see a few dozen humans struggling futilely to build their wooden palisade to protect them and their cattle from the 3000-strong elven army that is marching up to kill and eat them. It seems a little pigheaded.

3) Similarly, elves getting trounced by tree-killers may want to learn to cut back on their cannibalist ways. Basically I am sayin' that sides should have certain practices marked as "compromisable" for the purposes of diplomacy. Ideally, perhaps, Elves could agree to stop eating humans if humans stop eating animals. But such, of course, would not be the default setting: both sides would have to work towards it during worldgen

4) Finally, if the elves are going to be so gorram aggressive and cannibalistic, I think they *need* to recognise non-forbidden items. There needs to be a flag, for example, on items made from goblin leather from a goblin killed in combat. The elves clearly believe that such a goblin should not be left to rot, so why do they freak out when the dwarves show them a nice bag made of TreeKillingGoblin? Likewise, wooden items purchased from elves or made from wood purchased from elves needs to be recognised as "elf safe". It would be cool if driftwood also fell under this category.

[folo4]

diplomacy is peace incarnate.

Without it, wars will occur sporadically. But first, we need Writing.

[Wooty]

He fucking RAN




Unrelated, but still. 

[Sean Mirrsen]

I've had an elf-occupied (literrally - one elf) town come under constant siege from a rowdy band of 9 giants (I modded megabeast civs). They assaulted the bugger EIGHT TIMES. Nobody suffered losses or permanent injuries until the last battle. I presume the elf multiplied by mytosis or was a pregnant female, because at the eightth battle there were two elves. The second elf was killed, but the very first one had his eightth duel with the leader of the giants he's fought for the last few decades, and finally killed him. The successor to the leader of the giants promptly challenged the elf in the same battle, mangled his upper body and killed him,

[Koji]

I like how in that first image the elf didn't even bother killing the human before eating him.

Elves can apparently unhinge their jaws.

No, like a raptor or various modern predator, you are simply still alive when they start to eat you... you dye from being parted out during the eating.

Actually that image is from my game and the elves did indeed kill that guy before he was eaten, I just scrolled down past it.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I guess in certain conditions, other races are just as formidable, if a tad less bloodthirsty, as elves. A human civ was at war with cyclopses. At first, the humans attackes the cyclops cave, the cyclopses beat them back, and then counterattacked, forcing the humans into accepting a peace treaty. A while later though, the humans came en force, and the cyclopses were down to 6 from 50 in a matter of 6 battles.

Also, there is a way to overthrow the elves - just make a few races on par with them. Several times now, the elves in my worlds were enslaved by the kentauri. Dark elves, surprisingly, usually prove at most a nuisance, and even then mostly to the megabeast civs.

[Kagus]

Cyclopes is the correct plural, actually.  Easier to say, too.

[Tonjevic]

Seriously, just rename the elves zerg and make them an evil race. When the armies arc is completed, the aim could be to overthrow the vicious bastards.

[Ralje]

my standard world has no elvish civilizations.

WHERE DID I GO WRONG!?

I know elves don't show up in maps without forests..
Could it be there just wasn't enough rainfall?

[Sprout]

It actully seems that the root of the elvish pwnage IS the fact that they devour the corpses of their enemies.

Apparently other sentient races don't like that, so as soon as something happens, instantly everyone else declares war it seems.

Or maybe it's just revenge for what we did to them last version? 

[Osmosis Jones]

I guess Terry Pratchett was right about them all along...

[Areyar]

Somehow they seem to multiply unelvishly...these elves are nowhere near the morose depressed beings of Tolkien etc. There is just too many of them!

How do they age?
Maybe elves of certain ripe age should not leave their settlements EVER, being in tune with trees should have some drawbacks.
Also here is a correlation between lifespan and fecundity.

[Alfador]

Elves don't see it as cannibalism. Because of their connection to nature, they see themselves as the same as any other omnivore--they eat what they kill. Diplomats would be the only elves who would even comprehend that other races could see something wrong with this.

"Oh, I have slain this ugly, tree-killing human. Don't want to disrespect the spirit of the dead, so I better up and eat that corpse quick-like."

[Jetman123]

The elves in that battle were the Persians, and the humans were the Spartans! This... IS... HUMAN... FORTRESSSSSS!

Seriously, I wish scenarios like that would arise in wars and the like. A few highly skilled, trained troops in a strategic position against a massive but underequipped and underskilled army, ala the Battle of Thermopylae. Or hell, even just other situations like history's last stands, like the Alamo.