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Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« on: July 12, 2008, 06:13:47 pm »

Cannot find the answer to this anywhere else. Catapults can only target creatures on the same Z-Level as themselves? Is this serious?

I understand why that'd be true for ballistas, but that creates some serious problems with catapults. No catapult towers than?
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 06:36:23 pm »

This is true, and is a known issue.  A few releases ago, marksdwarves had the same problem.  They have since been fixed, but Toady hasn't gotten around to fixing the targeting for siege engines yet.  I assume that's going to be done at some point during the army arc.
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 06:55:23 pm »

Basically, catapult = made of fail and suck, ballasta = Dwarven Death Ray. They're a chargin' their (wooden) laz0rs!
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 07:45:26 pm »

...dangit.
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 07:59:03 pm »

Basically, catapult = made of fail and suck, ballasta = Dwarven Death Ray. They're a chargin' their (wooden) laz0rs!

Wutsaballasta?

Also do they destroy certain tiles?
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 08:07:38 pm »

Ballistas and catapults are the two types of siege engines that can be built.  Ballistas fire huge arrows at the enemy, while catapults fire rocks.  Neither type destroys tiles, just living creatures.  And you have to deal with friendly fire...
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 08:22:34 pm »

Is it true that they once did destroy tiles? Or did i just imagine that because it would be cool.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 08:30:19 pm »

Basically, catapult = made of fail and suck, ballasta = Dwarven Death Ray. They're a chargin' their (wooden) laz0rs!

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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 08:37:44 pm »

Is it true that they once did destroy tiles? Or did i just imagine that because it would be cool.

Afaik, they never did destroy tiles.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 08:45:17 pm »

Thanks for telling me, its weird cause i thought they did. Some makebelief wish from me i guess.  :)
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 09:03:43 pm »

Still, both not very realistic and very limiting if none of the siege engines can target things above or below them.

Makes building a tower to peak over the top of a mountain that I planned on capping with catapults completely useless.

I'd like it to be possible to have the entire map of mine covered. Goblin spawns anywhere, he is in danger of being smashed. until my marksdwarves arrive.
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2008, 09:33:30 pm »

LoS would be a difficult hitch anyway.

You can make it easy, though, since all monsters, even the ones you don't see, spawn at the edges of the map. Here's how you do it. (Note: Ridiculously impractical).

Wall the whole damn map off, except for the approach to your Rebel Base, which consists of a long-ass road to the base. At that approach, put a watch-tower, and part of the watch-tower are some chained dogs behind glass windows. The dogs will be able to see monsters on the approach, and alert you if there's any hidden gobbers coming. No line of effect means no need to replace the dogs.

Now, along the approach, you're going to want a one-square-line by however many squares wide hole in the ground, which will be your entrance - use a ramp, and cover it with a retracting bridge.Behind that line will be a wall of fortifications. Long behind those fortifications will be another line of fortifications, and behind those will be your ballastae. Dogs warn you of the Bad Guys, you charge your lazors, and shoop da woop.

This can even be made 100% ammunition-economical if you want to go to the trouble. Line the walls with trenches (like, five or six z-levels deep to minimize the liklihood of ammo-retreval dwarves being shot by bowgobbers). Make the tower at the end of the row instead of at the side, and do a pit in front of it, too. You can also use drawbridges, which are normally left down, to channel the gobbers into the murder-zone; then pop up the drawbridge, the goblins are caught in a killing field where they can't even touch any of the walls.

And that's how you use a ballastae!
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2008, 10:52:26 pm »

Yeah.  I thinks its much less of a problem that siege engines can't shoot up or down z-levels as it is that they can only fire at exact orthogonal angles.
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2008, 04:05:34 am »

catapults is like, for training you're dwarveses... otherwise is juss stupid.
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Re: Catapults only target stuff on the same level?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 10:19:42 am »

Yeah.  I thinks its much less of a problem that siege engines can't shoot up or down z-levels as it is that they can only fire at exact orthogonal angles.
Yeah, adding the ability now for them to shoot up and down would just give them another direction to miss in.
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