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[Armok]

ok, ok, it'll have to do, it was not as much wanting territory as wanting to have cities further away from land they cant be reached by boat in one turn, guess I'll have to settle outside some small remote island.
Verdict accepted.

Edit; there are some ways to hurt them:
Pouring poison into the water, a simple plant extract could poured in watter work like WW2 poison gas minus the chance of it blowing back to you
Freezing the water whit Akromas artefact.
Dropping explosives into the water.
Magic.
Send someone who can also be underwater, cast a spell letting you breath underwater, etc. thou this last one is probably a bad idea

[Poltifar]

i think that 50m deep is not THAT hard to attack. ok, its harder than attcking regular civs on land, but thats one of the points of having an aquatic race. as long as its only at 50m, maybe 100m MAX in some special cases like secret hidden forts or whatever, it is still possible to attack. afterall, imagine a fortress on land built on a 1000m high sheer cliff by a flying civ. if that is allowed, why not underwater 50m deep? magic can easily atomize them at that depth (and i dont care if not all civs have magic. that is one of MY advantages :p)

[Zako]

But how do you guard against underwater attacks if you have no magic?

[Emperor_Jonathan]

Not build near water?

[Istrian]

Have frequent patrols of archers ready to skewer anything that comes out of the water.

[nahkh]

Being an aquatic civ will give him an advantage, and I'll let him have it. This isn't multiplayer chess, civs are supposed to have advantages (and disadvantages). And there will be ways of taking hostile actions against him. Although I'm skeptical about poisons, as they would quickly dilute beyond dangerous concentrations. Time will tell. (Also, figuring out a way to attack them without them being prepared for it will give the attacker a substantial advantage. If need be, get creative)

[Istrian]

Please note : the RP thread is being moved to the various nonsense forums. The OOC thread will remain here. All players, please copy-paste your posts on the right turn, after Coelacanth reserves his post for statistics in the new thread.

[Mel_Vixen]

            pla   for   jun   hills   swa   des   r. hills   tun   mou   gla   sea  riv   sav
 Speed:     5     8     5     5       3     7     3          3     0     2     0    4     5


Name: Mari Narena

Powers/skills:    Swordsman (alino-ocade)
                      Wrestler (Ametha-Umethe)
                      dabbling Magican (Type: Shaman)
                      Herbalist

note for the Fighting technques and shamanism see describtion of the Seyec-elves

Inventory:        Icori (See below, 90cm Blade)
                      Basic clothes
                      Knife
                      Firestone and steel

Because i dont want to spoil the backstory, the description of how my hero looks takes Place ingame if nobody minds.

Spawnpoint: X25:Y34


Bases on: Seyec-elves

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 Civ symbol : e
 Army symbol : E
 Prefered site type : Waste, savana
 Race : Seyec-elves, 7% Growth
 
        pla   for   jun   hills   swa   des   r. hills   tun   mou   gla   sea  riv   sav
 Speed: 4     5     5      5      3      7    3          3     0     2     0    4     8
 Pop.:  80    40    25     35     15     30   30         20    35    15    50   +10   100
 
 
 
 Physiology: The Seyec elves resamble theyr brothers and sisters from the woods but are around 2 Meters tall. Because of theyr strange in Combat an there Animals I too use only an third of the normal growing speed.
 
 
 History: Many times the Elves had fled theyr “worlds” using the straight Path westward which the other races cant see. They fled so many times that the worlds they had visited were countless. On this world they are gone long ago (1500 years) but some of them stayed because they didnt want to go. This ones were little tribes which died over an long period to the current day.
 
 
 Culture:  The Culture of the Seyec-elves is much influenced by the general elvenkind. They still talk to animals and each Seyec had one. There animals diver from the normal Elven choice mostly , they take only huge Felines, Hyenas and huge sandcolored Falcons.
 
 Apart from Music and many other arts they train the art of Fighting from the day of theyr first step.
 
 In weaponed fighting there are the arts of “avathe-rimame” with two swords, the arts of “alino-ocade” and “lale-alino-ocade” with one Sword or Greatsword, the art “ilire- sila” with Spears and “asithi” with (throwing) knives.
 
 “Ametha-Umethe” is the classical hand to hand fight for an Seyec-elv which bases on using the enemies force to counter and kill or knock them out, This fighting style has evolved from the traditional dances as well as from more violent sports. To make this fightingstyle more devasting many seyec use Knuckle dusters or claws and blades tied to theyr forearms.
 
 As another difference to normal elves stays the forced education in sports like climbing, athletic and Acrobatic. To improve the condition for an Fight and everyday survival.
 
 
 The Seyec life from the few things the Savanas give them. They are half-nomadic with big herds. The seyec-elves live in Huge tent towns.   
 
 
 Combat and weapons: (See culture)  Swords, Greatswords, Spears, Throwing knives, Knuckledusters/forearm-blades.
 
 The Seyec prefer light Lether armor. Plated armor from bone and metal are known and is mostly used by Heros and other high persons.
 
 The seyec-elves fight side on side with theyr animals.
 
 
 Swords: As Swords the Seyec-elves use an a little bit longer then normal straight Rapier called “Sinitri” with an broad blade. This swords can be used like Swords, Sabers or fencing weapons  and the arts of  “avathe-rimame” and “alino-ocade” make great use of changing the style and all advantages of all 3 weapon classes. 
 
 Greatswords: Mostly Swords for “one and a half hand” meaning that the sword can be used with one and two hands. The “icori” the historical and mostly used Greatsword has an Blade length of 70 centimeters to 1.10 Meter Centimeter and an handle with 20 centimeter length. The Crossguard is rather small. “Icori” are only at upper third of the blade sharpened on both sides.



On the other hand stays the Humanlike two handed heavy Greatsword called “cavŠre”. This sword has an Large Crossguard an broader blade then the “Icori”. The “cavŠre” is sharpened on both sides  and on 6/7 of the blade. Its Bladelength goes from 1,10 to 1,50 Meters with an Handlelengt of 15 – 35 centimeters. The longer types of the “cavŠre” can be used as anti-cavalry-weapon.
 
       
 Spears: The Seyec-elves use long Spears and Staffs from 1,20 to 2,00 Meters. The spears have an straight blade of 8 to 15 centimeters which is 3 to 4 centimeters broad. Most spears have an 10 centimeter broad Crossguard 5 centimeters down the shaft. Some spears are bladed on both ends. the blades itself are very pointy and are sharpened on both sides.
 
 For hunting the use traditional harpoons.
 
 Knives: The fighting and throwing knives of the Seyec are 20 centimeters long and are sharpened on both sides. The blade itself has an length of 10 centimetres as well as the handle made from bone. 
 
 Forarmblades: This blades have an 15 centimeter flat but broad bone Handle. The Blade with 15 - 20 centimeters can be triangular as well as straight and sharpened on one as well as on both sides. This Blades were tied with thread or special holders from Leather to the forearms of an Elv.
 
 Knuckledusters: Are like the human kind often used as blunt weapon to knock out somebody or something. the Seyec-Knuckledusters have no special feature.     
 
 
 magic/tech:
 
 The shamanism of the Seyec
 
 The task of an shaman is to help his tribe/nation and keeping the balance between the worlds, the nature and the people so all can live and grow in peace.
 
  The world for an Shaman consists of two parts the Physical logical part called "acaathira" and the imaterial part of emotion and philosophical principles called "oremeteyo".
 
 Normaly the body of an elf is balanced in the manner that he can see and interact with the acaathira but an shaman has learned to change the blance of acaathira and oremeteyo so he can look in and interact with it.
 
 For becoming a shaman the apprentice must be initiated. This happens when the natural balance of acaathira and oremeteyo is disturbed. this disturbance can be caused by high amounts of stress, illness, fasting and/or very hard physical training.
The shamans of the seyec experiences theyr initiations on different ways but many have the component of implantation of an seed/ eating an magical plant/ merging with an animal for a short time/ rebirth (symbols for adding/changing something on the shaman) in which theyr powers become unlocked. in 305 of the initiations this experince is accompanied by an change of the Body. This changes can range from altered hair skin and eye colors over more subtil changes up to strange things like added retractable claws. Sometimes an short lived Amnesia can be witnessed. 
 The first time an shaman enters the oremeteyo he meets an Ghost - his marefela - the "soul animal" .This special ghost is the main guide, teacher and friend of an shaman. The ghost picks a form of the animal that represent the principle behind them best (f.E. a ghost which represents dexterrity and Fertillity would pick a horse).
 
 All ghost in the oremeteyo can be "classificated"  via the 4 principles and 16 Shools too but many know a bit of more then one school or principle.
 
 An shaman can make more "friends"/"contractors" in the oremeteyo then the marefela this ghosts are called - "an•vafela" - "force animals" which teach and guide the shaman too.
 
 If an shaman asks for knowledge or Power he has mostly to do a favor to the Ghost which helps the shaman too, even if the shaman dont see how. This can range from doing sports etc. over helping an person/animal (etc) to more violent favors and can take place in both worlds. An shaman can seek for the secrets of the oremeteyo by himself too by traveling in it visiting differnt places and so on.
 
 In the oremeteyo are apart from the animal ghost some Ghost which come from the acaathira like the Ghost of the Dead or other shamans which are traveling throught oremeteyo. The shaman can learn from this entitys too and can comunicate with an other shaman. 
 
 If an shaman travels through the ghostworld (English translation for "oremeteyo") his body is unoccupied and must be guarded. If an traveling shaman finds an unoccupied body in the ghost world he can take it over but thats very unmoralic.
 
 The power of an shaman increases with the state of the body as well as the mind. An fat shaman is less powerfull the an shaman which does sports vice versa for an shaman who dont uses his mind before acting to an shaman who thinks about actions and seeks the best way.
 
 What a shaman can do and learn: An shaman learn many things from the Ghosts beginning from growing-techniques for farmers over healingabilitys of plants to real magical rituals and songs (a song is the equivalent to a spell). Even summoning of natural forces like storms volcano eruptions and so on are possible but need an big amount of Shamans (or helping mages of other categories) and/or energy. This energy can be provided by the life-force of an creature but an shaman dont takes it entirly as long as theyr is no other way.
 
 Many shamans use the ability of the "Halflook" an special technique which allows them to enhance theyr physical powers (Speed, Reactions, Strength a.s.o.) by theyr powers in the oremeteyo this is very consuming and can lead to death if it used over an longer time without break for a recover.
 
 Sidenote: Many elves have an pet from the race of theyr "soul animal" without knowing it.
 
 
 Describtion of the champion:
 
 Inori elder of the Swords is a Grandmaster in all styles of fighting and an very old Elv from the forest. As Grandmaster she trains many young ones and does as only elv among the Seyek use an Bow. As weapons of choice she uses an Icori and an Sinitri dualhanded. Her Animal is an snow white cheetah.   
 

If someone is willing to use he seyec-tribe in the game as race feel free to do it.

[Akroma]

your adventurer looks good to me.

I will add it to the approved list once Nahkh also sais it is ok

[Istrian]

A suggestion for army supply to prevent HUGE armies on the field. This is only a proposal and needs to be discussed by everyone and approved by the GMs.

Army Support :
Armies need food to prevent them from dying. Food for armies can be obtained in two ways :
 
1) Gather food from the tile they are on. This uses the civ's usual food supply table. If food is gathered from a tile where a city gathers as well, the food goes first to the army.

2) Get supply caravans from cities. This diminishes the population cap of the supplying city by the amount of supplies they send. It is considered that supply trains are sent out on each turn and one reaches the army on each turn. Supply trains travel in straight lines and need not be shown on the maps. They can also be intercepted by other players.

When food supply is lower than the size of the army, the excess soldiers get lower fighting ability the first turn, are unable to fight on the second, and die on the third. The player may decide to spread rations among all soldiers, making them all worse fighters but allowing them to fight and live for 5 turns (after that, they die).

Armies can be given food supplies in cities, no more than three turns worth of supplies and these slow down the army carrying them, number of tiles is rounded up :
3 turns of food - 40% movement penalty
2 turns of food - 20% movement penalty
1 turn of food - full movement

[nahkh]

Heph's adventurer is approved. Glad to have you.

Istrian: I have some issues with that. Armies cannot effectively gather sufficient amounts of food as described here. Soldiers are scavengers, not farmers. In order for an army to gather food it has to keep moving, and even then it doesn't necessarily work. So armies are mostly dependent on external supplies. However, tracking individual supply trains makes for a lot of micromanagement, and it might be simpler and more effective to simply set up supply depots, that would supply all units in their range.
This however, must be carefully considered, and it probably not be relevant for a few dozen turns in any case.


-Nahkh

[Istrian]

To avoid the hassle of tracking individual supply trains, we can consider that a supply train reaches its destination army the same turn it leaves the supply source.

As for soldiers not being farmers, it is true, this is why they only gather resources from the tile the army is on, instead of the surrounding tiles. Supply depots would be nice to have, but they require advanced administration and organisation, which very few civs have at the moment. It is also necessary to suppply the supply depots.

[Zako]

A problem with the map: My western scouts have already returned, could you remove the marker and replace it with normal forest?

[Akroma]

the first turn is almost reconstructed.

Only Kashyyk and Dwarfaholic are still missing before we can compile turn 2

when you read this, please move your post ASAP

[Kashyyk]

I'm sorry. I have moved it now. Ther was a storm on Mondat that cut my internet, so I haven't been around