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Water Levels and Tile Size
« on: May 18, 2008, 11:28:00 am »

Out of spare time, I started to wonder how much water is in one "unit" of water, and thus how much fills a tile. Since a water unit is equal to the amount of water needed for one dwarf for one month, and they probably have similar water usage properties as a human, a 180-lb. dwarf (shorter but stouter and denser) should use 42 gallons of water a month. That's 350 lbs, and 5.6 Cubic Feet per 1 unit of water. Finally, 5.6 * 7 = 39.2 Cu. Ft. Thus, each tile is just under 40 Cubic Feet of space.
  Now, if the tiles are 2.5 feet square, roughly the size of a normal doorway, or the narrowest a cave passage can be and still be navigable, that means that it's 6.25 ft. square and thus 6.272 ft. Tall. This makes sense, as humans can comfortably move in dwarven passages without crawling, and dwarves wouldn't settle for just small passages when they could make them full-sized.
  2.5 feet in either direction allows you room to stand when fighting, but forces anyone else within that area to squeeze or crouch past you. It is also where the "Center Point" is for larger creatures, whom may have extensions such as wings or tails or claws past the edge, but if you want to hit the core of the creature, you must aim for that tile. That said, I have no mathematical proof that 2.5 is the right size, so annother number may be more useful.
  A last statement; I think that tiles are not exact sizes; in particular, walls are not necessarily 2.5 feet thick, and can add or subtract a foot per side, easily. This means that your 2*6 bedrooms are between 3" by 13" and 7" by 17", but most often 5" by 15", and that is just about enough room for a bed, a cabinet, and a chest, as well as some walking space.

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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2008, 01:43:00 pm »

makes sense but there is always that thing with dragons and hydras being in one tile.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2008, 02:12:00 pm »

Nothing's perfect in an alpha, but it's still hella fun no?
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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2008, 02:20:00 pm »

I figure they aren't so much "in" the tile as "centered on" the tile. Some monsters, like dragons, are sinuous, so that they can fit inside a narrow passage despite their great size. However, things like the Bronze Colossi are most likely too big to fit in a single tile passage, and should not pass through them. It's simply an unfinished feature, and eventually, there will be multi-tile creatures (maybe).

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2008, 02:55:00 pm »

there are already multi tiled creatures, i think wagons are labelled as creatures.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 03:17:00 pm »

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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2008, 03:33:00 pm »

I thought there were ten units of drinkable water per water depth level...
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2008, 05:35:00 pm »

Nope, it's one unit.
A bucketful of water is one depth unit (visible when they're filling ponds). Someone using the well drinks this same bucketful and is sustained for a month. So one depth unit = one bucketful = one "drinking unit".
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 05:45:00 pm »

The confusion is that one bucketful is the same as ten "item water".  You only see the ten item waters when you spill something.
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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2008, 06:39:00 pm »

So, these dwarves use 42 gal. "buckets." That is almost the same size, for comparison, as a 55-gal. standard oil drum. When they use the term "barrels of oil", that refers to the original wooden barrels they used, that held 42 gallons. This is all using the American system (also known as the "real" or "correct" system)
Those are some hefty buckets.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2008, 08:29:00 pm »

Remember, these are DWARVES we're talking about, short, stout and bearded. I can believe they would drink 42 gallons of water in a single sitting.

Anyway, what size would a Dwarven Barrel be? If someone smarter than I, come on.. should be a lot of you  :p, can figure this out we can infer the number of gallons of wine and other booze that a Dwarf would drink a month. Must be a lot to go for a month or more between drinks. God I wish I were a Dwarf, or maybe Irish, maybe then I could hold my liquor.

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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2008, 08:05:00 pm »

Well, we can go with 42 gallons for a start, and if the barrel holds 5 booze units, that means that there are 210 gallons in a booze barrel. Thus, there are 28 cubic feet of mushrooms in a stack of five Plump Helmets. Hmm... How much space should that take to grow?
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2008, 08:12:00 pm »

That also means that a "Farm Plot" is as large as a legit farm.

Afterall a single plant isn't enough to fill squat... especially not enough for any creature for a month.

6.25 ft. square and thus 6.272

This must mean... Lions, Tigers, Bear, Elephants, Whales, and Some snakes are really small...

Or your measurement needs work.

Though hillariously this means a Waterskin is more like a garbage bag

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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2008, 08:12:00 pm »

Too much.

Lets just say, for every size issue, a wizard did it. They are in the Raws and we never see 'em. What else could they be doing other than messing with the time-space continuum?

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Re: Water Levels and Tile Size
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2008, 08:26:00 pm »

No, all dwarven containers are actually bags/barrels of holding. And the reason dwarves only drink once a month is because their beards soak up liquids and food like a sponge, ready to be eaten at any time.
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