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[Rabek Jeris]

Okay. I want a race that doesn't form normal civs, but it should be playable in adventure mode. I've checked the Wikis, ripped off the tutorial races, even checked a few posts in here, and generated a new world after each change... still no luck. I'm trying to make colossi of the sort in Shadows of the Colossus, just as a way to learn my way around. Someone mind telling me where I'm failing?

entity_default.txt (placed before dwarves and after the first two lines)

code:

 [ENTITY:GIANTS]
   [CREATURE:COLOSSUS]
   [INDIV_CONTROLLABLE]
   [ADVENTURE_TIER:4]
   [TRANSLATION:ELF]
   [CLOTHING]
   [ENTITY_GROUPING:FRIENDLY]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_WETLAND:8]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_DESERT:8]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:8]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:MOUNTAIN:6]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_GRASSLAND:7]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_SAVANNA:4]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_SHRUBLAND:4]
   [BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_RIVER:3]
   [SELECT_SYMBOL:ALL:EARTH]
   [SELECT_SYMBOL:ALL:MAGIC]
   [SELECT_SYMBOL:ALL:MYSTERY]
   [SELECT_SYMBOL:ALL:MYTHIC]
   [SELECT_SYMBOL:ALL:WILD]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:VIOLENT]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:DEATH]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:UNTOWARD]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:DOMESTIC]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:FLOWERY]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:SUBORDINATE]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:PEACE]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:NEGATOR]
   [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:GOOD] 

creature_new.txt

code:

 creature_new
[OBJECT:CREATURE]
[CREATURE:COLOSSUS]
   [NAME:colossus:colossi:colossal]
   [TILE:'C'][COLOR:2:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:100]
   [CAN_LEARN][CANOPENDOORS]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:1][DIFFICULTY:4]
   [SPEED:1400]
   [WEBIMMUNE][PARALYZEIMMUNE]
   [GENPOWER:5]
   [BLOODTYPE:0]
   [NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:200]
   [EXTRAVISION][NOBREATHE][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][RECKLESS][NOTHOUGHT]
   [NOSTUCKINS][SEVERONBREAKS][NOSKULL][NOSKIN][NOBONES][NOMEAT][NOEXERT][NOFEAR]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:HUMANOID_JOINTS:5FINGERS:5TOES]
   [SIZE:25]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:2:4:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [CHILD:2][BABY:1][MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
   [DAMBLOCK:6]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [LAYERING:50]
   [MEGABEAST]
   [FANCIFUL]
   [PREFSTRING:sorrowful nature]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:HUMANOID_JOINTS:5FINGERS:5TOES]
   [EQUIPS]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [DIURNAL]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [ITEMCORPSE:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:NO_RACEGLOSS]
   [ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:1]
   [NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
   [NO_GENDER]
   [MATERIAL:STONE:NO_RACEGLOSS]
   [SWIMS_LEARNED][SWIM_SPEED:1400] 

Thanks for your time.

[Jay]

From what I've heard, the traditional method of just adding INDIV_CONTROLLABLE and ADVENTURE_TIER no longer works.  Sorry, can't help you past that, I've never really tried to add my own race yet...

[shadowsofwhite]

Take note that you don't have "CAN_SPEAK" "CAN_LEARN" tags, which are relatively vital for adventuring.

[Rabek Jeris]

It did have the CAN_LEARN tag. I added CAN_TALK, just to test that (it was intentional that it didn't have it), and it still doesn't allow for the race to be playable.

[Sean Mirrsen]

It's CAN_SPEAK, not CAN_TALK.

And you need at least one starting site.
And at least some of them spawned.

Add [START_BIOME:ANY_LAND] to make them spawn.
Add [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:PLAYER_FORTRESS] and [TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE] to make a reasonably candid civ.
Then add:
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:1]
[START_GROUP_NUMBER:10]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:50]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:500]
So that the civ is very small and doesn't go anywhere.

Should work after that, I think.

[Rabek Jeris]

Still no luck.. I did have CAN_SPEAK, not CAN_TALK... and I put all that you said in the entities entry.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Hm. Exactly how many errors you get in the errorlog when you try to generate a world?

You've got BODY tags listed twice, as well as ALL_ACTIVE, plus there's no such thing as NO_RACEGLOSS, there's NO_MATGLOSS.

And your civ is probably excluded from spawning because your creatures live 30 years at most, and cannot reproduce (the NO_GENDER tag). Either remove MAXAGE or NO_GENDER.

Other errors:
STANDARD_FLESH overrides MATERIAL.
ALL_ACTIVE makes DIURNAL useless.
I'm not sure how ANY_LAND biomes overlap with SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM, but you probably wanted just one of those.

Fix these, see if they work then. Oh, and just for good measure, delete all generated files in data/objects, and all saves.

[Rabek Jeris]

Well, there are no errors in the log... but, amusingly enough, a little poking and I found the problem. I had creature_new.txt named creature_new.txt.txt for some odd reason. It works now.

I changed NO_RACEGLOSS to NO_MATGLOSS, now. Am I right in thinking that this will make them be made of stone, basically?

[Jay]

NO_MATGLOSS will make an aquifer stone that weighs 14466 units per boulder.
Meep.
EDIT: Typo :\

[ April 04, 2008: Message edited by: jaybud4 ]

[Rabek Jeris]

That's... probably not a good thing. What should I use, then?

[Jay]

Just fill in the name of a stone, say RAW_ADAMANTINE.
This will make all of the units of that race Raw adamantine collosi, but I'm sure it's better then the incredibly heavy aquifer stone...

[Cavalcadeofcats]

I think it's not that big a deal. You'd probably need [HAS_RACEGLOSS] to change the names. Testing.

EDIT 1: So far, yeah, you do need a RACEGLOSS to change the name. So having the material be STONE:NO_MATGLOSS doesn't affect what they're called in the game.

The thing is, it DOES affect their properties (i.e., fire resistance) - an attempt to kill one (to test ITEMCORPSE) failed when the modded dwarf began to smoke but failed to take any injury whatsoever.

EDIT 2: Plan "Watery Death" fails. Back to Adventure Mode. Perhaps Mr. Sword will be more effective!

EDIT 3: Mr. Sword WAS effective.

So, yeah, using STONE:NO_MATGLOSS for ITEMCORPSE produces a ridiculously heavy rock.  
I suggest you just choose a rock you like - granite, say. Granite's nice. Not sure what effects having NO_MATGLOSS for a MATERIAL type will have but you might want to choose a subtype there too.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

[ April 05, 2008: Message edited by: Cavalcadeofcats ]

[Rabek Jeris]

Huh, thanks. I wish the wiki were a bit more updated for modding. I'll try some of this out soon and see what happens. Though, after trying these out... it's a bit too powerful. I'll have to try something new, soon.

[Kagus]

Behold the power of the nullstone, my friend.  The grey/white/invisible water-bearing rock of incredible heaviness.

[Sean Mirrsen]

If you use [HAS_RACEGLOSS:STONE], then you can use [MATERIAL:STONE:USE_RACEGLOSS], and [ITEMCORPSE:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:USE_RACEGLOSS]

Note that HAS_RACEGLOSS accepts only STONE, METAL, and WOOD, and it's impossible to specify additional properties like gem-bearing, etc.