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[Deon]

I want to add a weapon for dwarves which can use arrows to make those kobold/goblin arrows useable.

You can add "bows" based on crossbows. Make something like:

in item_weapon.txt:

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW_COMPOUND]
[NAME:compound bow:compound bows]
[DAMAGE:70:BLUDGEON]
[WEIGHT:40]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[RANGED:CROSSBOW:ARROW]
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]

in entity_default.txt to dwarves:

code:

[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW_COMPOSITE]
      [AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_ARROWS]

You will be able to assign it to dwarves (since it uses crossbow skill) and it will use your looted/bought arrows.

Any suggestions on improving the idea?

[ June 08, 2008: Message edited by: Deon ]

[Sean Mirrsen]

Dwarves don't use arrows. Too long for their short arms. And bows for the same reason.

You could add a sort of a "cross-shortbow" that's basically a larger crossbow that fires arrows.

Even in Blade of Darkness, using a bow as a dwarf is too hard for any real shooting, the only reason it is at all possible is because you need a bow to complete the game.

[Deon]

What about "mechanical bow" then, a bow which uses a special mechanism (err... like a crossbow) to fire arrows? I'm sure though that dwarves CAN use arrows (as long as kobolds do this even if they were smaller, and the dwarves use crossbow just because they like machines).

And I don't see why should it be cross-[short]bow. The bolts are shorter than arrows.

[ June 08, 2008: Message edited by: Deon ]

[Sean Mirrsen]

And a shortbow is larger (longer) than a crossbow. That's why it's a "cross-shortbow".

And I've already got the mechanical thrower thing (the bembularros) in my mod, but it's more of a Sam Fisher's omnigun thing, it shoots flat objects, not long ones.

[Deon]

Actually I meant something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_bow

A little dwarvish, isn't it?

[Sean Mirrsen]

Why don't you just make a special crossbow, invent a name for it, and make it shoot arrows?

Btw, kobolds in my mod use crude shortbows that fire sharp sticks.  

[Ramirez]

Personally I dont see whats wrong with a composite bow that shoots arrows that is wieldable by dwarves. The main reason dwarves cant use normal bows is due to the draw length being too long for their little dwarven arms, but I think its within dwarven engineerings reach to create a bow that can store just as much energy as a normal bow with draw length suited to a dwarf.

[Neonivek]

A small crossbow?

Wristbow or whatever it is called...

[Bien]

You're nowhere near it, it's hand-crossbow.

[Deon]

Well what's wrong with the WIKI design? A power stored in lever physics in a small bow? And hand crossbow is nowhere near it - it's smaller than a crossbow, how is it supposed to shoot arrows?

And it's not a COMPOSITE bow, it's a COMPOUND bow.

[ June 08, 2008: Message edited by: Deon ]

[Derakon]

The power from bows comes from distorting the arms of the bow. Thus, the stiffer the arms, the less you need to distort them to get an equivalent launch velocity from your projectile. The problem with such bows is that they're much harder to use; it's very difficult to aim, for example, when you're struggling just to draw the arrow.

Now, I think you could reasonably argue that dwarves are stronger than most of the other races, and thus could use smaller, stiffer bows. But they'd also use different arrows, since the arrow has to fit the bow, at least to a certain extent.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Yes, an arrow for the shorter-draw compound bow would have to be itself shorter in relation to arrows used with, for example, longbows. There's nothing inherently wrong with the compound bow design, other than the fact that it's still a bow, and using the crossbow skill doesn't make sense.
Then again, I don't know what the viyerami bows I gave the elves look like, though they use the crossbow skill..  Btw, the name tranlsates to "skewer" if I'm not mistaken.

[Deon]

quote:WIKI:<STRONG>Arrows used with compound bows differ very little from arrows shot by recurve archers.</STRONG>

And as long as we have similar arrows for kobold bows and elven longbows I'm sure that the arrow's length is not important here.

And why crossbow skill? Because we don't have BOW weapon for dwarves and it's hardcoded, but as long as crossbow dwarves are "marksdwarves" (nothing with crossbow, just accuracy) why not to use this skill as "accuracy" measure to give our dwarves a bow weapon?

[Lyrax]

I find absolutely nothing wrong with doing this.  It actually makes sense to me.

Now there's a use (outside of traps) for those junk arrows!  Yay!

[RavingManiac]

Bundle multiple arrows together to create cluster rounds for ballistae