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[nunix]

Okay, I have two little things I'm trying to do before a release.

1) Need a corpse to drop a diamond. I THINK this will work, I'm not sure.

ITEMCORPSE:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:DIAMOND_CLEAR:STONE_GEM

2) Need to use dwarven flour in a reaction, is this what the syntax for the wheat is?

REGEANT:1:EXTRACT:NO_SUBTYPE:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE:PLANT

There're going into odd places so they're not the easiest thing for me to just pop in, load up and test, so any assist is greatly appreciated.

[Kagus]

For corpse testing, point an entity at that creature.  You will now have a whole city full of them.

As for the reaction, just try and put it somewhere easier for the time being.  Testing is all-important.

And if you can figure out how the hell you actually do work the damned itemcorpse arguments, lemme know.  I've been struggling with getting a creature to turn into a plant for some time.  It's always a damned rat weed that pops up.

[Hague]

The gemstone should be [ITEMCORPSE:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_CLEAR]

The plant one is tricky [REAGENT:1:EXTRACT:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE]

If that doesn't work, try [REAGENT:1:POWDER_MISC:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE]

[nunix]

Hague: the gem one.. probably works, it was dropping me rough . -- but I think I read that was some kind of bug in trader wagons, too. I'll probably just leave it alone for now.

As for the wheat.. I dunno, DF seems to have some kind of damn hidden cache. The errorlog keeps throwing me stuff that I deleted; and I make a new world every time, even clear out the old saves. I'll try it on a fresh copy tomorrow, when I'm less annoyed at it. been working too long today. =p Thanks for info tho.

[Greiger]

I think it might be the data/objects folder.

It converts all the raw files into one of the files in there and when the game is running it actually reads the raws from those files.

You usually don't have to worry about it, but if you rename a bunch of raw files or delete ones, it's typically a good idea to empty that folder before running Dwarf Fortress again.  You can get weird little artifacts and little oddities like recent raw changes not taking effect ingame.

I would try emptying the folder.  Don't worry, It won't hurt anything. (just don't get rid of the folder, just everything IN it.)

EDIT: It's getting late, my already low speller skill is under a debuff.

EDIT2: As an addition, a few versions ago I tried making a plant extract and powder work in reactions but, if the stuff is in any kind of container the smelter seems to be unable to find it and says you don't have any.  I ended up needing to use plant thread and cloth for it to do what I wanted.

[ March 03, 2008: Message edited by: Greiger ]

[Sean Mirrsen]

Clearing data\object is rather safe, and essential if you shuffle files around in raws.

For a rough diamond, you need

ITEMCORPSE:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE :DIAMOND_CLEAR

The gem is a stone essentially. It works for reactions, or at least I think it does.

The plant extract should be as mentioned, but it's usually either a powder or a liquid - so using it in a smelter will not work, it needs a container or it will just spill or lie on the ground and be useless.

[nunix]

data\objects isn't enough, it was still holding on to a few lines. There must be something else laying around. It's not impacting any of the testing now, and I can copy the files over to a clean install and it goes, but.. anyway.

You mean it can't use the extract at all? It was going to produce a bar of something, so the end-result isn't a powder or liquid, in case that matters.

[Sean Mirrsen]

If it's a liquid, "reality will take over" and the bar will melt. Otherwise, making something into a bar will work.

[nunix]

First: figured out part of my cache issue. Doing this in ubuntu and the text editor kept throwing up goddamned backup.txt~ files for each file, and DF was reading from those half the time instead of the actual ones. Ugh. -.-

Follow-up question, since I don't want to clutter the board with more threads.

Neither of these work. They don't show up in the smelter actions at all.

[REACTION:DWARF_BREAD]
[NAME:make dwarf bread dough]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:EXTRACT:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE]
[REAGENT:1:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:2:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:DWARF_BREAD]
[FUEL]

[REACTION:DWARF_BREAD2]
[NAME:make dwarf bread dough2]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:POWDER_MISC:NO_SUBTYPE:PLANT:GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE]
[REAGENT:1:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:2:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:DWARF_BREAD]
[FUEL]

I've tried it with and without [FUEL], I've changed the order of the reagents, tried name changes, nothin'. For reference, this is the entry in matgloss_metal

//these numbers are just random for the most part, but it should be at least as strong as iron
[MATGLOSS_METAL:DWARF_BREAD]
[NAME:dwarf bread][ADJ:dwarf bread][COLOR:6:6:1]
[VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:800]
[MELTING_POINT:10000]
[BOILING_POINT:11000]
[WEAPON]
[DAMAGE_PERC:100]
[BLOCK_PERC:100]
[SOLID_DENSITY:8000]

There is no errorlog generated anymore, so it's not a syntax or typo thing somewhere that DF gets iffy about. This is the only thing keeping me back from a v0.1 release -.-

[ March 04, 2008: Message edited by: nunix ]

[Sean Mirrsen]

Tried generating a new world? New reactions require that...

Don't see anything wrong otherwise...

[nunix]

Yep, new worlds every time. Cleaned out data/objects. Etc etc.

[Logan]

It sounds like the usual reagents-in-containers problem. The smelter won't search inside anything for its reagents, although dwarves will. If you can get some extract or powder just laying around, it'll show up in the task list and your furnace operator will be more than happy to use the stuff that IS in containers.

quote:Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>And if you can figure out how the hell you actually do work the damned itemcorpse arguments, lemme know.  I've been struggling with getting a creature to turn into a plant for some time.  It's always a damned rat weed that pops up.</STRONG>

If you want actual plants (not any sort of plant derivative), the Matgloss is ignored. See http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Reaction#Notes

[nunix]

Logan: ach, well that kills that project. Blast. Thanks for the information though. Now that I look at the wiki Reactions page I can see it's there, but.. not perfectly worded, I'll clean that up for future modders.

EDIT: ARGYNBAGHYARGUIGHAUYRIGHAUORIHGAUOYRIHGUOIAHGUOIAHRGUOI.

I give up. I hate the smelter.

I decided to just make it use regular cave wheat plants - no extract, just the plant item - and there is still NOTHING showing up in the smelter menu except Melt item. There's no errorlog. No crashes. Nothing. The game thinks everything is at least written coherently, but.. refuses to use any of it.

So depressed. -.-

[ March 04, 2008: Message edited by: nunix ]