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[Aaaamory]

quote:Originally posted by Fenrir:
<STRONG>How do you know that?     </STRONG>

Samurai play their video games with honor.    

Seriously though, if people are getting that into this game, Toady One must be tickled.  And on the other hand, sure, Dwarf Fortress can be a sort of escapism for people, who can pretend to be adventuring in a fictional world simulation, playing by their own codes of conduct (nobody asked the OP how he was playing his character.  That's a choice nobody has the right to dictate.  Good, evil, or lucky fool), and sharing their exciting stories with others, but it shouldn't be anything so serious that what occurs in it causes real fights between real people.  Oh.  My.  God.

Remind me that if I ever program a videogame I better balance everything if it gets too popular or somebody might get murdered.

[ February 21, 2008: Message edited by: Aaaamory ]

[ColonelTEE3]

quote:Originally posted by Aaaamory:
<STRONG>

Samurai play their video games with honor.      

Seriously though, if people are getting that into this game, Toady One must be tickled.  And on the other hand, sure, Dwarf Fortress can be a sort of escapism for people, who can pretend to be adventuring in a fictional world simulation, playing by their own codes of conduct (nobody asked the OP how he was playing his character.  That's a choice nobody has the right to dictate.  Good, evil, or lucky fool), and sharing their exciting stories with others, but it shouldn't be anything so serious that what occurs in it causes real fights between real people.  Oh.  My.  God.

Remind me that if I ever program a videogame I better balance everything if it gets too popular or somebody might get murdered.

[ February 21, 2008: Message edited by: Aaaamory ]</STRONG>

Them's fightin words...

:p

[subject name here]

I imagine if two DF players were to kill eachother over the game they would do it by tossing change at one another until someone is blown apart.

[Torak]

Note to self: Gold coins do more damage than Quarters.

[Deon]

Just one word about your 'no honor strategy': "MeaTshield".
How often do you call poor drunk people without weapons/armor to go to another cave to kill another cyclops/ettin/giant/insert any name? Don't you know they will be killed with a few successful blows? Does it stop you from taking them to the definite doom?
Also, how can you call them meatshields THAT easily, they're humans, don't yuo remember it (It's irony, they're ascii characters, not human, but if you speak about honor while pressing "t" - "a" - "->" - "->" - "enter", then I think it's ok to speak of poor drunks as about miserable creatures under your despotic command)?

[Rawl]

OR here's another way to look at it.
   
   In the story of the Noble Knight the Knight stares down the dragon blocking the flames with his shield and burying his sword deep in its heart. A classic tale.
   
   In the Story of the Ungodly over powered hero, the hero jams a finger up his nose blows air through his other nostril and sends the dragon flying off into the side of a mountain upon which it explodes into an unrecognizable mass.
   
    The way I see it there's many different approaches to how you want your story told in the game, be it more classic Tolkien style, or more outlandish Münchhausen style its just up to the player to decide which set(s) of rules he wants to use for his character.
   
   If you find killing a dragon with a coin toss isn't in good taste than don't do it, if your more of a Pecos Bill ride the tornado kind of guy by all means take that elvish child's corpse that we know you've been carrying around and chuck it at the first MegaBeast you seeand send it to it's eternal slumber.

[Aaaamory]

I threw coins at somebody once.

[Kyselina]

quote:Originally posted by Aaaamory:
<STRONG>I threw coins at somebody once.</STRONG>

I did it already X times, even before knowing DF.

[Alfador]

quote:Originally posted by Aaaamory:
<STRONG>I threw coins at somebody once.</STRONG>

But did you ever throw cookies?  

[Kyselina]

quote:Originally posted by Alfador:
<STRONG>

But did you ever throw cookies?   </STRONG>

Actually, I think I did that too.

[Misterstone]

This whole discussion of honor vs no honor is idiotic.  The question is about FUN.  When the game has unbalanced stuff in it, it is not FUN.  Even if you self-consciously avoid doing stuff that is overbalanced, it is not FUN, because you have FUN in video games when you are forced to push your creative and strategic faculties to the limit in order to overcome a challenge.  This situation does not exist in a game where you have to limit your own actions in order to create a challenge, because the whole idea is that the game should be what limits them, not you.  That way, you can push your brain to the utmost WITHOUT the challenge collapsing too easily.  Sure, it might be OK to put a few specific limits on yourself, as long as they are clear-cut and you know exactly how to keep the limits in place, but for the most part the game mechanics should be what does this.

Personally, I look for a game to provide a challenge; I don't play video games because I want to "roleplay" with my computer.  There's really no difference between that and playing with barbie dolls, imho.

[Fenrir]

quote:Originally posted by Misterstone:
<STRONG>This whole discussion of honor vs no honor is idiotic.  The question is about FUN.  When the game has unbalanced stuff in it, it is not FUN.  Even if you self-consciously avoid doing stuff that is overbalanced, it is not FUN, because you have FUN in video games when you are forced to push your creative and strategic faculties to the limit in order to overcome a challenge.  This situation does not exist in a game where you have to limit your own actions in order to create a challenge, because the whole idea is that the game should be what limits them, not you.  That way, you can push your brain to the utmost WITHOUT the challenge collapsing too easily.  Sure, it might be OK to put a few specific limits on yourself, as long as they are clear-cut and you know exactly how to keep the limits in place, but for the most part the game mechanics should be what does this.

Personally, I look for a game to provide a challenge; I don't play video games because I want to "roleplay" with my computer.  There's really no difference between that and playing with barbie dolls, imho.</STRONG>

Why do some people feel compelled to spoil our fun? It doesn't matter about what you are arguing, what matters is proving that you're right.  :p

[penguinofhonor]

quote:Originally posted by Alfador:
<STRONG>

But did you ever throw cookies?   </STRONG>

I've tossed my cookies, if that counts.

[subject name here]

My idea of fun is chopping off someones arm and beating them to death with it, bonus points if they're a small child or elderly.

[Krash]

quote: My idea of fun is chopping off someones arm and beating them to death with it, bonus points if they're a small child or elderly.

Were still talking about df, right?  Right?