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Author Topic: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon  (Read 4697 times)

Alan Bolte

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Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« on: February 19, 2008, 04:28:00 pm »

First dragon kill. No meatshields. 0.27.176.38a
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The spinning Jasmukomon Aril Dothan Mutheowba Silver coin strikes The dragon in the head!
It is bruised!
The dragon has been knocked unconscious!
The dragon's nose has been bruised!
The dragon falls over.
You grab The dragon by the throat with your right upper arm!
You place a chokehold on The dragon's throat with Your right upper arm!
You strangle The dragon's throat!
You strangle The dragon's throat!
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The snakeman has fallen into a deep chasm.
You strangle The dragon's throat!
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The olmman is no longer stunned.
You strangle The dragon's throat!
The dragon regains consciousness.
You've been spotted!
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The dragon passes out.
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Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon has bled to death.
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Yeah ma'am see the problem you have is you've got roof wolves. They're pretty common round here sometimes. The only thing I can do in this case is put a puma statue up there and hope it scares them off.
Whats that ma'am? You want me to shoot them?

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 04:30:00 pm »

Ah, the power of money.  :D
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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 04:52:00 pm »

If you really want awesome, throw an oreo, instead.

(Maybe Alfador can find the link to that story.)

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 05:22:00 pm »

I was throwing coins because I ran out of turtle shells.
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Yeah ma'am see the problem you have is you've got roof wolves. They're pretty common round here sometimes. The only thing I can do in this case is put a puma statue up there and hope it scares them off.
Whats that ma'am? You want me to shoot them?

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 05:44:00 pm »

That hardly counts as a real kill.
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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 06:05:00 pm »

quote:
Originally posted by Torak:
<STRONG>That hardly counts as a real kill.</STRONG>

Maybe dragon has something to say about it? No? Why is that? Because he is dead.
Dragon is dead after Alan committed hostile actions against him, that sure sounds like a kill.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 06:35:00 pm »

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Originally posted by Fishersalwaysdie:
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Maybe dragon has something to say about it? No? Why is that? Because he is dead.
Dragon is dead after Alan committed hostile actions against him, that sure sounds like a kill.</STRONG>

Using the broken throwing system and then strangling for a kill without a fight is more like murder, than anything.

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 07:11:00 pm »

I agree this is not the most honorable way to kill such a powerful and respectable foe, but if you look at it the other way, dragons themselves are to some degree overpowered. Their firebreath is basically non-survivable unless by some luck you can block it, because the span it breaths is nearly impossible to evade. Even if you aren't incinerated by it right-off, if it hits you at all, your basically in so much pain and so useless in combat, that the fight is already over. Its kind of like one "exploit" cancels out another "exploit".
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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 07:44:00 pm »

Nice kill. Don't know why everyone else is fussing over mundane stuff like "honor" when noble killing and immigrant massacre is an accepted sport.

Wouldn't it have been better to break all its arms and legs, gouge out its eyes, and cut off the tail before letting it bleed to death?

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 08:00:00 pm »

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Originally posted by ColonelTEE3:
<STRONG>I agree this is not the most honorable way to kill such a powerful and respectable foe, but if you look at it the other way, dragons themselves are to some degree overpowered. Their firebreath is basically non-survivable unless by some luck you can block it, because the span it breaths is nearly impossible to evade. Even if you aren't incinerated by it right-off, if it hits you at all, your basically in so much pain and so useless in combat, that the fight is already over. Its kind of like one "exploit" cancels out another "exploit".</STRONG>
So it's okay to fight dishonorably, but only if they're tougher than you, right? It's a freaking dragon for crying out loud! It's not supposed to be easy to kill.

Of course, honor is not an important part of adventure mode, I'm just making a point.

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 08:21:00 pm »

And yet, people seem to have no trouble carrying around a bunch of statues...

I choose to think of the @mode characters as a kind of cross between your more brutish cartoon heroes - your Dave the Barbarian, your Brock Samson, and so on - and a Sierra or LucasArts adventure game character; Guybrush pulling a bloodhound out of his coat, et cetera. Huge muscles, Grecian-level heroics, infinite pockets. It's not "realistic" and that is okay. If you want something approaching the natural physical laws of the universe you're going to just have to stop playing games, because it's impossible to program. You're asking, essentially, for another copy of the universe. And unless you know some fantastically intelligent mice that no one else has met, that's pretty much out of the question.

Kwitcherbitchin or program your own game.

Also: great post, Alan. I've recently been mucking about more with wrestling and brutally strangling everything you come across is ridiculously satisfying, even better if you make a hole in it first by way of your spare change.

[ February 19, 2008: Message edited by: nunix ]

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 10:21:00 pm »

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Originally posted by Fenrir:
<STRONG>So it's okay to fight dishonorably, but only if they're tougher than you, right? It's a freaking dragon for crying out loud! It's not supposed to be easy to kill.

Of course, honor is not an important part of adventure mode, I'm just making a point.</STRONG>


Wow, you read my post about as well as a blind man could. All i was saying was that its understandable why he would choose such a method for fighting considering who he was fighting. I personally like to rush suicidally towards megabeasts because, in my opinion, its much more awesome to die charging a dragon than to attack from the shadows and kill it. But you know what? Thats just me; nothing i've said here is supposed to be the "law" of how to play adventure mode, i've only stated my own opinions. Don't put words in my mouth..

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 10:49:00 pm »

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Originally posted by nunix:
<STRONG>And yet, people seem to have no trouble carrying around a bunch of statues...

I choose to think of the @mode characters as a kind of cross between your more brutish cartoon heroes ...  It's not "realistic" and that is okay. If you want something approaching the natural physical laws of the universe you're going to just have to stop playing games, because it's impossible to program. You're asking, essentially, for another copy of the universe. And unless you know some fantastically intelligent mice that no one else has met, that's pretty much out of the question.
[ February 19, 2008: Message edited by: nunix ]</STRONG>


The whole "it's just a game!" or "its fantasy, anything goes!" is a lame cop-out.  A game such as @mode is fun because it is a challenge to develop a formidable fighter based on a fixed and well-balanced set of rules.  The point of a video game is that it poses an inflexible system (while in play), thereby forcing the player has to apply his skills (in this case, brains in the form of strategy and resourcefulness) to overcome a challenge or series of challenges.  You might say "limit yourself to doing the things that you think are fair", but that is also a copout, and it ruins the game in question.  You should not have to limit yourself, the game itself should limit what you can do.  When you start limiting yourself, when you are successful in overcoming a challenge, you don't feel any satisfaction- because you don't know if it is just because you didn't set enough limits on yourself, or if you really did come up with a winning strategy.  In order for there to be a satisfying gaming experience, you must be forced to compete with an antagonistic force, either another player, the computer, or in an adventure game, the author of the game.

This of course is assuming that overcoming challenges is what you want in a video game.  These days, it seems like people sometimes just want to watch a pretty graphics or exercise their creative powers at whim (the whole sandbox mentality)... to each his own.  But I believe that this particular game mode, like most roguelikes, is meant to pose challenges.

It is fair to say that the dragon is super-powerful when compared to the PC, and if the game was not broken in this regard you probably still would want to use a strategy that does not involve running up to it and whacking it with a sword... but wouldn't it be more fun to have something that isn't quite as easy as an instakill via thrown coin?

Regardless, I'm not trying to give the OP a hard time... I just don't like the whole "it's a video game, it doesn't have to be realistic" defense for bad balance/bugs/poor game features.  The point isn't about realism, it's about a consistent level of challenge.

In any case, it is pretty obvious that the throwing feature is broken, and we know that some day Toady will get around to correcting it.  Until then, adventure mode is in super-alpha mode as far as I am concerned.

[ February 19, 2008: Message edited by: Misterstone ]

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 11:03:00 pm »

I'd like to mention, I didn't spend a lot of time getting myself to high throwing and sneaking skills. That just seems 1)not fun and 2)excessively exploitative of the broken throwing system.

I think I was at about 14 sneaking skill just from looking around a few caves. Most of my kills were by axe, so I think my throwing skill was at about 7 or 8. The dragon was hunting mountain goats at the time; I was honestly expecting to be spotted and end up like the goats - face down in a pile of ash.

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Yeah ma'am see the problem you have is you've got roof wolves. They're pretty common round here sometimes. The only thing I can do in this case is put a puma statue up there and hope it scares them off.
Whats that ma'am? You want me to shoot them?

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Re: Aweme Romimiluthama, dragon
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 11:11:00 pm »

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Originally posted by Alan Bolte:
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You strangle The dragon's throat!
You strangle The dragon's throat!
The snakeman has fallen into a deep chasm.
You strangle The dragon's throat!
You strangle The dragon's throat!
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