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[TricMagic]

Toony Coming in and Magma agreeing, as they throw Crystal into the crusher. Like, why?

Magma Magma I don't care anymore. I want you dead. Or Toony, but you are the Usurper. If I leave you alive I suspect I won't have any abilities by the end of tomorrow. Roleblocked, disabled, and lynched.

[Krr1ss]

And I thought I was super tunnel focused player

[Imp]

Toony Coming in and Magma agreeing, as they throw Crystal into the crusher. Like, why?

Magma Magma I don't care anymore. I want you dead. Or Toony, but you are the Usurper. If I leave you alive I suspect I won't have any abilities by the end of tomorrow. Roleblocked, disabled, and lynched.

Okay.  And I'm confused and scared about Mater too.

But I'm really freaking out about Toaster.  Mater's talking.  Openly lying, yes.  A potential weapon against town even if town, yes.

Risky as heck and needs death or protection or something, yes.

But the flip is Toaster?

This silent... no claims.  No reads, narrow focus - Inno newbie?  Deadly problem?

8 posts D1.  5 posts D2.

Someone who can do something to protect against Toaster if we end the day early please do it.  We have a lot of unexplained stuff and some of that explain could be right there with the toast.

I believe this is our current votecount:

Magma Mater (3 - supposedly 5 per Mater's claim): Jim Groovester (771), TricMagic (915), TricMagic (915),
toastercultist (3): notquitethere (582), notquitethere (582), ToonyMan,
Krr1ss (2): VermillionSkies (724), EuchreJack(774),
ToonyMan (1): Crystalizedmire (675),
Crystalizedmire (2): Magma Mater (580), Krr1ss (812),
notquitethere (1): toastercultist (718),
Jim Groovester (0):
VermillionSkies (0):
Agentt (0):
TricMagic (0):
Imp (0):
EuchreJack (0):

No Execution (0):

8 votes to hammer. (supposedly only 6 visible votes for Mater, per his claim)

Not Voting (2): Imp, Agentt,

If Mater didn't lie about the votes thing, we are 3 votes from hammering Mater.

[Krr1ss]

Toony Coming in and Magma agreeing, as they throw Crystal into the crusher. Like, why?

Magma Magma I don't care anymore. I want you dead. Or Toony, but you are the Usurper. If I leave you alive I suspect I won't have any abilities by the end of tomorrow. Roleblocked, disabled, and lynched.

Okay.  And I'm confused and scared about Mater too.

But I'm really freaking out about Toaster.  Mater's talking.  Openly lying, yes.  A potential weapon against town even if town, yes.

Risky as heck and needs death or protection or something, yes.

But the flip is Toaster?

This silent... no claims.  No reads, narrow focus - Inno newbie?  Deadly problem?

8 posts D1.  5 posts D2.

Someone who can do something to protect against Toaster if we end the day early please do it.  We have a lot of unexplained stuff and some of that explain could be right there with the toast.

I believe this is our current votecount:

Magma Mater (3 - supposedly 5 per Mater's claim): Jim Groovester (771), TricMagic (915), TricMagic (915),
toastercultist (3): notquitethere (582), notquitethere (582), ToonyMan,
Krr1ss (2): VermillionSkies (724), EuchreJack(774),
ToonyMan (1): Crystalizedmire (675),
Crystalizedmire (2): Magma Mater (580), Krr1ss (812),
notquitethere (1): toastercultist (718),
Jim Groovester (0):
VermillionSkies (0):
Agentt (0):
TricMagic (0):
Imp (0):
EuchreJack (0):

No Execution (0):

8 votes to hammer. (supposedly only 6 visible votes for Mater, per his claim)

Not Voting (2): Imp, Agentt,

If Mater didn't lie about the votes thing, we are 3 votes from hammering Mater.

Magma elimination is quite likely it seems since, if we add +2 to his name, it's actually 5 votes against 3 rn.
Jack and Verm how come I am your top suspect? It might be just my bias but I find myself quite towny and others seem to agree

[Imp]

Magma elimination is quite likely it seems since, if we add +2 to his name, it's actually 5 votes against 3 rn.
Jack and Verm how come I am your top suspect? It might be just my bias but I find myself quite towny and others seem to agree

Right.  I'm primarily scared about the downstream cascade effect of losing lots of D2 time very early.

I want to hear from Toaster and I want to see all the rest of the interactions.  That chance is lost if the day ends early and we have over 24 hours left.

If we're all done we can hammer - I am not done and I hope others are not either.

[TricMagic]

I am stressed from something else so logging off for the day.

[Imp]

I am stressed from something else so logging off for the day.

Good luck!  Hope stuff gets loads better, and that you get some game time with your favorite game too.

[Krr1ss]

Magma elimination is quite likely it seems since, if we add +2 to his name, it's actually 5 votes against 3 rn.
Jack and Verm how come I am your top suspect? It might be just my bias but I find myself quite towny and others seem to agree

Right.  I'm primarily scared about the downstream cascade effect of losing lots of D2 time very early.

I want to hear from Toaster and I want to see all the rest of the interactions.  That chance is lost if the day ends early and we have over 24 hours left.

If we're all done we can hammer - I am not done and I hope others are not either.

2) Yeah, I wanna hear more from Toaster too. I get being lax, but this is at the point of just AFKing the game hahah.

1) Easy fix. Whoever Hammers will be perma voted by me doesn't matter even if Fallacy confirms them town next day.

Now if you voice out such statement too it's enough to scare hammer off I believe.

[TricMagic]

I am still watching, consider my vote hammering then. I'ma die at some point.

[Krr1ss]

I am still watching, consider my vote hammering then. I'ma die at some point.

Just remove one of your votes. What does it matter, we know that you are spiritually there

[Imp]

1) Easy fix. Whoever Hammers will be perma voted by me doesn't matter even if Fallacy confirms them town next day.

Now if you voice out such statement too it's enough to scare hammer off I believe.

You'd think that.

Hmm...

Not much time and about to go to bed, posting after one read-through.

Imp seems panicky but I'm honestly not sure if I can read them. Still don't trust Max but the mechanical evidence is on his side. Strong showing from Oliverz but not enough to conclude they're town, just that they're a pretty decent player.

Need to read through again to actually understand this, will have to wait for ~9 hours, sorry about that.

Please don't hammer in my absence.

That didn't change the fact in that game I had 1 vote when NJW said that.  I gained 3 more and was hammered within about 5 of him saying that.  And of the 4 votes on me, 3 were town and I was town.

I will remain alert and vocal about the vote when I am concerned.  It doesn't matter that I'm not the one up for hammer right now - a hammer right now hurts my wincon.  It's vastly too early in the day and people absolutely can just 'run in and vote'.

[Imp]

1) Easy fix. Whoever Hammers will be perma voted by me doesn't matter even if Fallacy confirms them town next day.

Now if you voice out such statement too it's enough to scare hammer off I believe.

You'd think that.

Hmm...

Not much time and about to go to bed, posting after one read-through.

Imp seems panicky but I'm honestly not sure if I can read them. Still don't trust Max but the mechanical evidence is on his side. Strong showing from Oliverz but not enough to conclude they're town, just that they're a pretty decent player.

Need to read through again to actually understand this, will have to wait for ~9 hours, sorry about that.

Please don't hammer in my absence.

That didn't change the fact in that game I had 1 vote when NJW said that.  I gained 3 more and was hammered within about 5 of him saying that.  And of the 4 votes on me, 3 were town and I was town.

I will remain alert and vocal about the vote when I am concerned.  It doesn't matter that I'm not the one up for hammer right now - a hammer right now hurts my wincon.  It's vastly too early in the day and people absolutely can just 'run in and vote'.

"within about 5 hours of him" I mean.

And thing is. the person who hammered me there was town.

So venge-hammer?  Hurts town even worse sometimes.

Gotta take it case by case and think things through.

[Krr1ss]

1) Easy fix. Whoever Hammers will be perma voted by me doesn't matter even if Fallacy confirms them town next day.

Now if you voice out such statement too it's enough to scare hammer off I believe.

You'd think that.

Hmm...

Not much time and about to go to bed, posting after one read-through.

Imp seems panicky but I'm honestly not sure if I can read them. Still don't trust Max but the mechanical evidence is on his side. Strong showing from Oliverz but not enough to conclude they're town, just that they're a pretty decent player.

Need to read through again to actually understand this, will have to wait for ~9 hours, sorry about that.

Please don't hammer in my absence.

That didn't change the fact in that game I had 1 vote when NJW said that.  I gained 3 more and was hammered within about 5 of him saying that.  And of the 4 votes on me, 3 were town and I was town.

I will remain alert and vocal about the vote when I am concerned.  It doesn't matter that I'm not the one up for hammer right now - a hammer right now hurts my wincon.  It's vastly too early in the day and people absolutely can just 'run in and vote'.

Sure, but I am serious. I don't care even if they are town, hammering early despite everyone telling you not to is enough for me no just vote for them and stop caring. Bad town is potentially worse than scum (cope).

[Krr1ss]

1) Easy fix. Whoever Hammers will be perma voted by me doesn't matter even if Fallacy confirms them town next day.

Now if you voice out such statement too it's enough to scare hammer off I believe.

You'd think that.

Hmm...

Not much time and about to go to bed, posting after one read-through.

Imp seems panicky but I'm honestly not sure if I can read them. Still don't trust Max but the mechanical evidence is on his side. Strong showing from Oliverz but not enough to conclude they're town, just that they're a pretty decent player.

Need to read through again to actually understand this, will have to wait for ~9 hours, sorry about that.

Please don't hammer in my absence.

That didn't change the fact in that game I had 1 vote when NJW said that.  I gained 3 more and was hammered within about 5 of him saying that.  And of the 4 votes on me, 3 were town and I was town.

I will remain alert and vocal about the vote when I am concerned.  It doesn't matter that I'm not the one up for hammer right now - a hammer right now hurts my wincon.  It's vastly too early in the day and people absolutely can just 'run in and vote'.

"within about 5 hours of him" I mean.

And thing is. the person who hammered me there was town.

So venge-hammer?  Hurts town even worse sometimes.

Gotta take it case by case and think things through.

Eh, true, but it's also for another purpose.

If I say that I am gonna do something and I keep the word, the next game, they will know not to mess with my wincon.

[Imp]

Sure, but I am serious. I don't care even if they are town, hammering early despite everyone telling you not to is enough for me no just vote for them and stop caring. Bad town is potentially worse than scum (cope).

Well, I have removed 'bad town' too - removed folks that many were sure were town and I was sure were going to hurt town.  'Worst' in FBYOR6, where we had a suicide-bomber of a many-votes role, who gleefully responded to my taunts and challenges about my concerns he was anti-town by killing us both... me supercop and very likely town and while the rest of the game was busily killing the deadly Max SK that was unbelievably powerful.  What a D5.  But the playstyle had to go.

Thing is, if a playstyle has to go, it's not because they rushed a vote.  That's a reasonable mistake, one I like us to stay far from.  A playstyle that has to go is one that's consistently making harmful-for-town choices; they're likely anti-town as well.

I'm uncomfortable with your delight in 'even if they're town, I'd permavote them' - maybe you don't mean it and just posture.  If you meant it, that alone hurts town/disguises you pretty well for a while.

I noted you... well.  Hey, these postures.  I don't get them. Like right now you're heroing and saying you don't back down?

Unfortunately I still can't make cases and think straight as I just returned home and it's time for sleep but for now, I'm still on Toony, Urist, and Jim. I get Imp's unwillingness to consider my play good and I admit that I'm a newbie that often makes mistakes and quite probably does right now, but I'm not moving my vote for now. Considering Urist's overwhelming presence as town and plays I had seen him do, this whole claim fiasco and reasons behind it are somewhat dubious to me to say the least. Toony did nothing to improve his impression too.

Which makes me wonder now that I'm typing this, Jim's impression improved in my mind, am I crazy for finding that suspicious?

I mean... you literally say "I am not moving my vote" then less than 50 words later in the same post you... move your vote.  I get you're sleepy.

But you're really inconsistent.  I dunno how much of this is 'fun for you, a pose', how much is your literal personality.  How much is maybe something alignment meaningful.  It makes me attempt to build meta on you... insane for me.  You basically tell me, as I evaluate stuff, that I cannot trust what you say.

Sure, that's not a lie about an action claim.  But you... are a very hard to believe and predict and understand and feel safe with player.  It's going to get easier for me as we keep playing together but literally if you are town you are in my 'this player is insane' basket.