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[Krr1ss]

I've slept on it and

I still don't like it.

Magma Mater and EuchreJack make claims that contradict each other and then

avoid bringing it up altogether. EuchreJack is implicated by the contradiction but seems entirely unbothered by it, which I find strange. I guess it's possible that Magma Mater made the contradicting claim and through PSYCHIC TOWN LASER BEAMS EuchreJack instantly knew what Magma Mater was going for and instantly understood the pro town rationale with no communication whatsoever, but if that isn't the case then there's something off about this entire interaction.

Somebody convince me that I'm just old and bad and lame and that it's all actually totally fine go to sleep grandpa.

Can we not end today without hearing more from Toaster?

I'd also like to hear more from VermillionSkies as well.

I'm going to be pretty fed up if VermillionSkies doesn't meaningfully participate for the rest of D2 after showing up and doing the bare minimum to get people off their back.

I feel like I want to hear more from EuchreJack as well. Not necessarily about my issue though, just in general.

Actually, didn't Verm do almost nothing day1 too?

[Jim Groovester]

Yeeeeeeeep.

But for some reason VS gets read as town by a lot of people despite this behavior.

[Krr1ss]

Yeeeeeeeep.

But for some reason VS gets read as town by a lot of people despite this behavior.

I thought he was gonna die anyway so who cares but that's thrown out of the window now

[Magma Mater]

Some thoughts on Crystalizedmire after reading through the iso.

I think Tricmagic is town. Based on what everybody else says about Tricmagic, he's more aggressive and wacky as town and also I'm pretty sure he is wacky and aggressive this game.

Here were Tric's posts up to this point:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

♫ I arrive. ♫

♫ Under the name of Discord, Superkill All Masons. Those who agree, say I. ♫

♫ This message will self-destruct in ten Fallacy Cycles. TricMagic ♫

♫ You will see what I mean Imp, when the clock strikes. ♫

Unvote Unvote Remember to bold. And I'm just removing the shot from these glasses before they can get stolen.

I'm sure Imp remembers last game where they had the power to control the vote. Well now it's mine for the day.

On a side note, ♫ NQT NQT will you let down your hair? ♫

♫ Starting the day with a double vote isn't something I want to see. What guarantee that you aren't a mafia sheep? ♫

I can theoretically build up to 6 votes on you, so... Crescendo or die. That vote power has to be a passive one.

I think I should mention that my role name is misleading and ability cops are useless when investigating me.

That's about right given I threw a Role Cop, and Alignment Cop into a ship where the Mafia had Godfather and the Thief was Orange.
Role Cop can catch the Agent of the Malicious Agency of Fell Interstellar Agendas [Red Agent], and regular cop catches the Phantom Detective [Orange Thief]


And then there was the one with the Purple SK Team Role Cop and Doctor duo trying the catch the Mafia Leader and Lieutenant. Town were green mafia that lose once their Leader was gone. Point being that you can't always trust what colors say. Or expect RL to let you write.

Agentt

NQT for looking like they are fishing for roles!

Though fishing for roles doesn't really matter in a game where everyone is PR.

What gave you the impression I was fishing for roles?

For the record: I think fishing is probably not a good idea. I think town should conceal and lie about their roles if that furthers their goals. Still, I'm not sure I ever really see scum try and rolefish directly in a game like this.


TricMagic

On a side note, ♫ NQT NQT will you let down your hair? ♫

♫ Starting the day with a double vote isn't something I want to see. What guarantee that you aren't a mafia sheep? ♫

I can theoretically build up to 6 votes on you, so... Crescendo or die. That vote power has to be a passive one.

This is a really weird attack line. Now, are you fishing for more info about my vote power, voting me for having two votes when you also apparently have two votes, or are you just being wacky?

The second. Mine is hat based, hence getting rid of the attached vote shot immediately. You just started with one and can apparently ramp up votes, which is not a town power, it's a selfish power.

For the record I have the one hat. I assume that's true for everyone but mafia? 12 is an odd amount of hats with 14 people.
Granted there is one person who can't get a hat victory so. Do they have a hat?

There's a bit of silliness with the singing, sure. I don't see the aggression, though.

Salvatore might be deadweight but I'm not sure if they're a good day elim since we can't find their remaining mafia members due to their lurking.

At this point, Crystalizedmire is voting for Salvatore Monday. If she doesn't think he's a good day elim, why is she voting for him?

Ow. Strike one, I suppose.

The thing that kills me is a status effect with a timer, not an ability. Once Downwards Escalator reaches zero, game over, I die.*
It's impossible to remove Downwards Escalator from me.

How many times can you die? Is the timer based on posts or actual time?

This question is more helpful for mafia than for town.

[A being which has never been looks down at a man without a cap.]

Jim Groovester

A little too late for rvs, don't you think?

Discrediting Salvatore Monday's read on Jim Groovester a bit here. Yet another reason to think that Jim Groovester and Crystalizedmire are paired.

~Least Want Eliminated~

Imp - Town - She's town and helpful. Trying to help Verm.
Vermillionskies - Town - Imp says they're town then they're town unless Imp not town.
Tricmagic - Town lean - Everyone more experienced than me always says that town!Tric is wacky and aggressive, and if this Tric isn't wacky or aggressive then I'm not sure what either of those words mean anymore
Euchrejack - Town lean - Aggressive energy, I think they're town trying to hunt down mafia
Krr1ss/Agentt - Townish lean - I think that I've permanently wired my brain to think that engaging = town and I'm trying to cut back on that logic. But good vibes from them.
NQT - Townish lean - They had a strong start with posts I liked and they disappeared with only one post after the car crash. Their last two posts aren't really good either.
Canadian Kitten - Townish lean - Not talking a lot which I am concerned about. But this is to be expected and they did have a pretty good post. I can't really see scum in them.
Magma Mater - Scummish lean - Their posts confound me with faulty logic it's as if it's trying to be faulty on purpose. Which is why they're down here. But it also happened the first time I played with them and they were town there so it's mostly null
Salvatore Monday - Scummish Null - Has done about nothing besides vote Jim. Needs more from. Actually, I think that by themself they aren't suspicious, it's that Toony thinks they're good which ? what
Toonyman - Scum lean - Thinks that Salvatore Monday is good. Scumreads Tricmagic for being wrong which Town!Tric has done

~Most Want Eliminated~

Here she scumreads Salvatore Monday because of another player's read on him. This just doesn't make sense at all.
She scumreads ToonyMan for having a scum read on TricMagic. But let's look at Toony's post...

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The easy gut reads
Agentt - my buddy
Imp - my other buddy
Vermilion - good dude, fell down stairs

The good dudes
S Monday - feels good dude, anybody want to vote them is bad dude
toastercultist - pretty good dude
Krr1ss - need to look at again, feel like good dude though
The Canada Cat - meow

The dangerous if bad guy
Magma - I hope is good dude, has made my favorite points out of everyone in the game so far. Chance of going for hat win = 42%.
NQT - Tric no like, probably good dude. Chance of going for hat win = 50%
Jim - I like this post. I feel similarly to Jim in most areas (and most importantly I think his read on me being as interested as him in the game is very on point) so probably good dude. Chance of going for hat win = 69.69%

People I'm less sure about
Jack - I feel like they're patting me and Magma on the back...chance of going for hat win also feels very low, why is this?
Crystal - I don't like them voting S.Monday for their posting style

The enemy
Tric - bad guy or wrong about everything, desire to hat win = 100%

I probably vote Jack the most right now. Tric probably isn't a good vote either from my instincts, I think.

@Jack:
Why destroy hats?

@Crystal:
Their posting style doesn't bother me at all, why does it matter?

ToonyMan says that Tric is either a bad guy OR is wrong about everything. He's not implying a causal relationship there. A diligent reader will notice that ToonyMan has TricMagic in his own category due to his likelihood of going for a hat win, not because of a scum read.
In short, Crystalizedmire's scum read of ToonyMan is based on a misinterpretation of his post. I wouldn't find this scummy. However, here's the kicker:

@Crystal:
I think Tric will be harmful, more so than usual, but they're not a good vote unless I believe they're mafia, which I don't feel strongly about.

Yeah, I understand that.

ToonyMan explains himself and Crystalizedmire allegedly understands. However, she doesn't change her vote, and continues voting for him until the end of the day!
Her entire reason for suspecting ToonyMan was thrown in the trash, but she doesn't update her read. There's no indication here that Crystalizedmire wants to find mafia. She's not interested in thinking that ToonyMan might be town. She only wants to appear consistent in her reads. This is damning evidence.

=== Day Two ===

Jokes aside, my top suspicion is magma. Krr1ss I have too much residual goodwill, Toony and Euchre seems to be doing it as a policy elim, sal is dead, magma seems to be the only one who actually believed in the cause.

In what world is being wrong scummy? A townie looking at that wagon would suspect either a) one of the people who jumped on near the end as a policy elimination, or b) her top suspect from yesterday, ToonyMan.
As an aside, scum killing someone who was on the wagon means that probably everyone on it is town.

After this, Crystalizedmire says basically nothing of consequence, just street fighter and role stuff. She ends up voting for ToonyMan because he was the third on Canadian kitten's wagon. Very little scumhunting going on here. Please vote for Crystalizedmire so that we can lynch mafia today, thanks in advance.

[Magma Mater]

Yeeeeeeeep.

But for some reason VS gets read as town by a lot of people despite this behavior.

VermilionSkies can be read by smarm. More smarm means more town.

[ToonyMan]

@Crystal claim:

I was blocked. I tried to graverob TCK. I suspected that Imp may be the maf kill so I redirected all actions targeting Imp onto Sal. Looks like it didn't matter anyways.

Crystal wanting to redirect people from Imp to Sal makes sense from their POV I think since they didn't think Sal was town. They were apparently blocked so it didn't end up mattering. It's interesting that Sal was the kill regardless.

@Tric:

Magma Magma.
You didn't even bother to contend my points. Instead it's directly me to do better by piling more work on me. When this was in response to you saying you've been posting all of day 2, but comments like this one make the bulk of your "contributions".

Tric, chill. You're tunneling on Magma too much.

@Krr1ss:
Your ISO on me feels really biased. I'm not sure of your intent but I'm going to say it's not malicious.

@Agentt:
Thanks for the read on NQT and Toastercultist.

Ah, and yes. I do confirm Tric told us in the chat,
If he is the last member of the Theatre Chat, he indeed dies.

Interesting.

@Night claims:
I think someone who is claiming to be roleblocked or didn't perform an action is lying and likely killed Sal.

I think it's likely one of these players killed Sal (in a vaguely most to least likely order):
Tric - forgot to action, I think this is ridiculous
NQT - claims their action failed, I don't know it felt more confusing than how clearly Crystal said it, also don't feel like they have been helping the game unlike Jim and Magma
Toastercultist - has made no claims, scummy
Crystal - claims being roleblocked, it makes sense but I haven't read them very highly this game
Magma - has claimed other actions but their openly admitting to lying and my others reads doesn't strike me as them being mafia at all
Jack - taking a hat would be a free action, but destroying it probably wasn't, I know Jack has 0 hats so they probably spent an action destroying Magma's hat. I read them as low energy and not sure of alignment really, slightly town

My "fire-from-the-hip" gut instincts are telling me that:
1. Crystal and NQT are telling the truth.
2. Tric and Toastercultist are suspicious.
3. Magma and Jack could go either way, but they make me feel good.

I didn't kill Sal, but I have no proof of my primary action thanks to it being Disabled, I just know Jack has 0 hats.

Verm isn't the Sal killer unless Krr1ss is with them or got messed with.

I think it's likely there's one (and only one) mafia inside Tric/Verm/Agentt. Zero is also possible, but I don't feel is likely.

I think it's likely there's one mafia inside Tric and NQT.

I think it's not likely that there's mafia inside Jim and Magma.

Toastercultist, who do you think killed Sal? Was it Magma? Was it Jack? Was it Crystal? Was it NQT? Was it Tric? Was it someone else?

PPE:
@Jim:

Magma Mater and EuchreJack make claims that contradict each other and then
avoid bringing it up altogether. EuchreJack is implicated by the contradiction but seems entirely unbothered by it, which I find strange. I guess it's possible that Magma Mater made the contradicting claim and through PSYCHIC TOWN LASER BEAMS EuchreJack instantly knew what Magma Mater was going for and instantly understood the pro town rationale with no communication whatsoever, but if that isn't the case then there's something off about this entire interaction.

Jack has overall been very low energy in this game. I can understand what Magma was doing so I don't scumread them for it. Jack could be anything, this low energy new!Jack isn't necessary a scumtell, but they could very well be a bad guy. I don't have that impression of either player as a bad guy right now though.

[Magma Mater]

avoid bringing it up altogether. EuchreJack is implicated by the contradiction but seems entirely unbothered by it, which I find strange. I guess it's possible that Magma Mater made the contradicting claim and through PSYCHIC TOWN LASER BEAMS EuchreJack instantly knew what Magma Mater was going for and instantly understood the pro town rationale with no communication whatsoever, but if that isn't the case then there's something off about this entire interaction.

Somebody convince me that I'm just old and bad and lame and that it's all actually totally fine go to sleep grandpa.

This is basically why I'm scumreading EuchreJack, yeah. He's too tolerant of my lies LMAO.

[Imp]

So, I'll paraphrase back just to confirm whether I understand everything perfectly:
1. This thing spreads based on who you target or are targeted by.
2. It most likely comes from Sal. Unless a new one appears.
3. It is potentially lethal (highly doubt that someone can just kill entire lobby N1/2. It's probably either less harmful, or beneficial, or needs a trigger of sort like multiple threads you mentioned.)
4. Only you and Verm possess it and you are likely the source.

5. It probably comes from scum but if it doesn't, for some reason, town is keeping it a secret.

Can it spread still? If it can, doesn't that mean that the entire lobby is likely to get affected in time? This is a bit ominous...

1) The way it is worded, it spreads to whomever you target the night you get it.

There's nothing in Sal's role except his 'describe it' one-off that could be connected to Thread Alpha.  There's also no visible death trigger or whatever in Sal's role - nor should there be (he is town!), unless he wrote it to kill all the anti-town it touched or something.

Fallacy, do statuses we have at time of death show in the flip?

He's town and a genius, I'd expect it to destroy anti-town and not just show off his brilliance.  But inside the status I have, all it is, it's about spreading to others the night it is gained, with a limit on who can get it, there's some conditions there.

Typically in FoU's game, statuses really may not give you the needed info to understand what is going on in full - here's an example from FBYOR6:

TricMagic has been killed. TricMagic was Town.

Dragon That Turns People Into Morally Dubious SK-Allies (Town)
(Innate, 1-Shot, Auto) Bloody Beast’s Awakening: If you successfully kill players for two Nights consecutively, your nature awakens, and you become a Serial Killer. If this happens, every living Town player with Fallout Fumes becomes a Serial Killer-Ally. Players that are converted this way learn your alignment.
(Auto) Dubious Dragon’s Hide: It’s really hard to tell whether you want everyone dead or not. You alignment inspect as a Serial Killer.
(Night) Noxious Neurotoxin Breath [target1][target2]: You breathe out a wave of brain-rotting, noxious fog. Your targets have their actions delayed until the next Night (they are told their actions failed), and gain Fallout Fumes.
(Night) Feverous Fang Bite [target]: You nibble on your target, gently. Your target’s abilities are all Disabled for the Night. If they have Fallout Fumes, you also kill them.

(Reference, Status) Fallout Fumes: Cough, cough! What is this stuff? You alignment inspect as a Serial Killer-Ally.

So, this status, the player with it only knows the flavor and the inspect-reveal alignment change; Thread Alpha status, I only know how it passes to others, and it's really specific, and the night I got it.

Tric's role has abilities that interface with the status he can give, he can give it, and he can act on players with it, all they know is the status info.

So I and Verm may be marked for someone SK-like or something else to now be able to kill, potentially convert if there are conversions, whatever I dunno.  Except... if it's a true mass-effect, which Status Alpha could be, it's literally too powerful for a direct kill type thing.

And because Verm was careful about the risk of my changing his ability and no-actioned,  he didn't spread it onwards.

However yes, I do believe someone targeted me to give this to me.  And I'm pretty sure Sal targeted me, no idea if anyone else did besides Crystal's claim that she tried and was blocked.

2) Yes, I think Sal alone can explain it.  And if there's never any more, well Sal's dead and known town, I stop worrying.

3) It is not necessarily 'possibly lethal'.  Read fallout fumes status above:  There's nothing in the status to indicate 'haha, you're dead sucka!'.  And not all status are deadly at all.  Also from FBYOR6:

--hector13:

Kill-Immune Randomizer (Town)
(Auto) Court of the Esteemed: The gift and curse you have been given by the Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist. As long as you refer to every player only as ‘Esteemed <exact username>’, and the moderator only as ‘Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist’ during the Day, you are immune to being killed or protected during the following Night. If a player fails to kill or protect you, they gain Esteemed of the Court.
(Night) Courting the Esteemed [target]: You trap your target in an endless, frustrating web of words. Their targets are randomized to random players that do not possess Court of the Esteemed. While catching them in your web, you learn whether or not they possess Esteemed of the Court. If they don’t, they gain it, if they do, they lose it.
(2-Shot, Night) Courtier for the Esteemed [target]: You make overtures as to your target’s allegiances. If your target possesses Esteemed of the Court, they lose it, and gain Court of the Esteemed and Courting the Esteemed. Otherwise, this action’s shot will not be expended.

(Reference, Auto) Esteemed of the Court: You are bound by many maddening unspoken rules. If you do not refer to every player only as ‘Esteemed <exact username>’ and the moderator only as ‘Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist’ during the Day, you cannot use kill or protect actions during the next Night.

Esteemed of the Court interfaces tightly with Hector's role, but it's not deadly.

What's Thread Alpha about?  Dunno.  Someone is connected to it, and it shows in their flip or Sal pulled something genius just to show off (I can imagine Sal doing that, though I would expect woven into it something to help town... not necessarily though.  And it gets filtered by Fallacy too, who openly wrote mockery into the role (why do we ever risk annoying God?  God is all powerful and Good.  Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist is a very worthy God!)

4)  I'm definitely not the source of Thread Alpha.  I definitely would by the rules of the status I see have spread it to Verm.  Someone else is the source, I really really really really really hope Sal is.

Otherwise I am very concerned about the source of these Threads.

5)  I hope it probably came from a showcasing Sal.  If not, I'm only deeply worried if it's anti-town, and if I were spreading it I may claim it or not, even as town there's reasons to claim or not, depends on exactly what it is, which the source knows and everyone else, have fun figuring out.

6) You didn't put a #6 on your concern at the end, but no.  Thread alpha is worded to only spread the night it is gained.  So, there's no warning for the person about to spread it.  N1, I didn't know I was gonna gain it and spread it to my target(s) who would spread it to their target(s) who would spread it to their target(s) and so on.  Also, once you have it, you can't get it again.  A Thread Beta or other different thread, totally different thing, but I'm now immune to thread alpha spread, I can't get it because I already have it.  I can't spread it tonight because I got it N1, and it spreads the night it is gained.

[Imp]

I repost this without the broken quotes!

So, I'll paraphrase back just to confirm whether I understand everything perfectly:
1. This thing spreads based on who you target or are targeted by.
2. It most likely comes from Sal. Unless a new one appears.
3. It is potentially lethal (highly doubt that someone can just kill entire lobby N1/2. It's probably either less harmful, or beneficial, or needs a trigger of sort like multiple threads you mentioned.)
4. Only you and Verm possess it and you are likely the source.

5. It probably comes from scum but if it doesn't, for some reason, town is keeping it a secret.

Can it spread still? If it can, doesn't that mean that the entire lobby is likely to get affected in time? This is a bit ominous...

1) The way it is worded, it spreads to whomever you target the night you get it.

There's nothing in Sal's role except his 'describe it' one-off that could be connected to Thread Alpha.  There's also no visible death trigger or whatever in Sal's role - nor should there be (he is town!), unless he wrote it to kill all the anti-town it touched or something.

Fallacy, do statuses we have at time of death show in the flip?

He's town and a genius, I'd expect it to destroy anti-town and not just show off his brilliance.  But inside the status I have, all it is, it's about spreading to others the night it is gained, with a limit on who can get it, there's some conditions there.

Typically in FoU's game, statuses really may not give you the needed info to understand what is going on in full - here's an example from FBYOR6:

TricMagic has been killed. TricMagic was Town.

Dragon That Turns People Into Morally Dubious SK-Allies (Town)
(Innate, 1-Shot, Auto) Bloody Beast’s Awakening: If you successfully kill players for two Nights consecutively, your nature awakens, and you become a Serial Killer. If this happens, every living Town player with Fallout Fumes becomes a Serial Killer-Ally. Players that are converted this way learn your alignment.
(Auto) Dubious Dragon’s Hide: It’s really hard to tell whether you want everyone dead or not. You alignment inspect as a Serial Killer.
(Night) Noxious Neurotoxin Breath [target1][target2]: You breathe out a wave of brain-rotting, noxious fog. Your targets have their actions delayed until the next Night (they are told their actions failed), and gain Fallout Fumes.
(Night) Feverous Fang Bite [target]: You nibble on your target, gently. Your target’s abilities are all Disabled for the Night. If they have Fallout Fumes, you also kill them.

(Reference, Status) Fallout Fumes: Cough, cough! What is this stuff? You alignment inspect as a Serial Killer-Ally.

So, this status, the player with it only knows the flavor and the inspect-reveal alignment change; Thread Alpha status, I only know how it passes to others, and it's really specific, and the night I got it.

Tric's role has abilities that interface with the status he can give, he can give it, and he can act on players with it, all they know is the status info.

So I and Verm may be marked for someone SK-like or something else to now be able to kill, potentially convert if there are conversions, whatever I dunno.  Except... if it's a true mass-effect, which Status Alpha could be, it's literally too powerful for a direct kill type thing.

And because Verm was careful about the risk of my changing his ability and no-actioned,  he didn't spread it onwards.

However yes, I do believe someone targeted me to give this to me.  And I'm pretty sure Sal targeted me, no idea if anyone else did besides Crystal's claim that she tried and was blocked.

2) Yes, I think Sal alone can explain it.  And if there's never any more, well Sal's dead and known town, I stop worrying.

3) It is not necessarily 'possibly lethal'.  Read fallout fumes status above:  There's nothing in the status to indicate 'haha, you're dead sucka!'.  And not all status are deadly at all.  Also from FBYOR6:

--hector13:

Kill-Immune Randomizer (Town)
(Auto) Court of the Esteemed: The gift and curse you have been given by the Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist. As long as you refer to every player only as ‘Esteemed <exact username>’, and the moderator only as ‘Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist’ during the Day, you are immune to being killed or protected during the following Night. If a player fails to kill or protect you, they gain Esteemed of the Court.
(Night) Courting the Esteemed [target]: You trap your target in an endless, frustrating web of words. Their targets are randomized to random players that do not possess Court of the Esteemed. While catching them in your web, you learn whether or not they possess Esteemed of the Court. If they don’t, they gain it, if they do, they lose it.
(2-Shot, Night) Courtier for the Esteemed [target]: You make overtures as to your target’s allegiances. If your target possesses Esteemed of the Court, they lose it, and gain Court of the Esteemed and Courting the Esteemed. Otherwise, this action’s shot will not be expended.

(Reference, Auto) Esteemed of the Court: You are bound by many maddening unspoken rules. If you do not refer to every player only as ‘Esteemed <exact username>’ and the moderator only as ‘Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist’ during the Day, you cannot use kill or protect actions during the next Night.

Esteemed of the Court interfaces tightly with Hector's role, but it's not deadly.

What's Thread Alpha about?  Dunno.  Someone is connected to it, and it shows in their flip or Sal pulled something genius just to show off (I can imagine Sal doing that, though I would expect woven into it something to help town... not necessarily though.  And it gets filtered by Fallacy too, who openly wrote mockery into the role (why do we ever risk annoying God?  God is all powerful and Good.  Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist is a very worthy God!)

4)  I'm definitely not the source of Thread Alpha.  I definitely would by the rules of the status I see have spread it to Verm.  Someone else is the source, I really really really really really hope Sal is.

Otherwise I am very concerned about the source of these Threads.

5)  I hope it probably came from a showcasing Sal.  If not, I'm only deeply worried if it's anti-town, and if I were spreading it I may claim it or not, even as town there's reasons to claim or not, depends on exactly what it is, which the source knows and everyone else, have fun figuring out.

6) You didn't put a #6 on your concern at the end, but no.  Thread alpha is worded to only spread the night it is gained.  So, there's no warning for the person about to spread it.  N1, I didn't know I was gonna gain it and spread it to my target(s) who would spread it to their target(s) who would spread it to their target(s) and so on.  Also, once you have it, you can't get it again.  A Thread Beta or other different thread, totally different thing, but I'm now immune to thread alpha spread, I can't get it because I already have it.  I can't spread it tonight because I got it N1, and it spreads the night it is gained.

[Krr1ss]

Some thoughts on Crystalizedmire after reading through the iso.

I think Tricmagic is town. Based on what everybody else says about Tricmagic, he's more aggressive and wacky as town and also I'm pretty sure he is wacky and aggressive this game.

Here were Tric's posts up to this point:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

♫ I arrive. ♫

♫ Under the name of Discord, Superkill All Masons. Those who agree, say I. ♫

♫ This message will self-destruct in ten Fallacy Cycles. TricMagic ♫

♫ You will see what I mean Imp, when the clock strikes. ♫

Unvote Unvote Remember to bold. And I'm just removing the shot from these glasses before they can get stolen.

I'm sure Imp remembers last game where they had the power to control the vote. Well now it's mine for the day.

On a side note, ♫ NQT NQT will you let down your hair? ♫

♫ Starting the day with a double vote isn't something I want to see. What guarantee that you aren't a mafia sheep? ♫

I can theoretically build up to 6 votes on you, so... Crescendo or die. That vote power has to be a passive one.

I think I should mention that my role name is misleading and ability cops are useless when investigating me.

That's about right given I threw a Role Cop, and Alignment Cop into a ship where the Mafia had Godfather and the Thief was Orange.
Role Cop can catch the Agent of the Malicious Agency of Fell Interstellar Agendas [Red Agent], and regular cop catches the Phantom Detective [Orange Thief]


And then there was the one with the Purple SK Team Role Cop and Doctor duo trying the catch the Mafia Leader and Lieutenant. Town were green mafia that lose once their Leader was gone. Point being that you can't always trust what colors say. Or expect RL to let you write.

Agentt

NQT for looking like they are fishing for roles!

Though fishing for roles doesn't really matter in a game where everyone is PR.

What gave you the impression I was fishing for roles?

For the record: I think fishing is probably not a good idea. I think town should conceal and lie about their roles if that furthers their goals. Still, I'm not sure I ever really see scum try and rolefish directly in a game like this.


TricMagic

On a side note, ♫ NQT NQT will you let down your hair? ♫

♫ Starting the day with a double vote isn't something I want to see. What guarantee that you aren't a mafia sheep? ♫

I can theoretically build up to 6 votes on you, so... Crescendo or die. That vote power has to be a passive one.

This is a really weird attack line. Now, are you fishing for more info about my vote power, voting me for having two votes when you also apparently have two votes, or are you just being wacky?

The second. Mine is hat based, hence getting rid of the attached vote shot immediately. You just started with one and can apparently ramp up votes, which is not a town power, it's a selfish power.

For the record I have the one hat. I assume that's true for everyone but mafia? 12 is an odd amount of hats with 14 people.
Granted there is one person who can't get a hat victory so. Do they have a hat?

There's a bit of silliness with the singing, sure. I don't see the aggression, though.

Salvatore might be deadweight but I'm not sure if they're a good day elim since we can't find their remaining mafia members due to their lurking.

At this point, Crystalizedmire is voting for Salvatore Monday. If she doesn't think he's a good day elim, why is she voting for him?

Ow. Strike one, I suppose.

The thing that kills me is a status effect with a timer, not an ability. Once Downwards Escalator reaches zero, game over, I die.*
It's impossible to remove Downwards Escalator from me.

How many times can you die? Is the timer based on posts or actual time?

This question is more helpful for mafia than for town.

[A being which has never been looks down at a man without a cap.]

Jim Groovester

A little too late for rvs, don't you think?

Discrediting Salvatore Monday's read on Jim Groovester a bit here. Yet another reason to think that Jim Groovester and Crystalizedmire are paired.

~Least Want Eliminated~

Imp - Town - She's town and helpful. Trying to help Verm.
Vermillionskies - Town - Imp says they're town then they're town unless Imp not town.
Tricmagic - Town lean - Everyone more experienced than me always says that town!Tric is wacky and aggressive, and if this Tric isn't wacky or aggressive then I'm not sure what either of those words mean anymore
Euchrejack - Town lean - Aggressive energy, I think they're town trying to hunt down mafia
Krr1ss/Agentt - Townish lean - I think that I've permanently wired my brain to think that engaging = town and I'm trying to cut back on that logic. But good vibes from them.
NQT - Townish lean - They had a strong start with posts I liked and they disappeared with only one post after the car crash. Their last two posts aren't really good either.
Canadian Kitten - Townish lean - Not talking a lot which I am concerned about. But this is to be expected and they did have a pretty good post. I can't really see scum in them.
Magma Mater - Scummish lean - Their posts confound me with faulty logic it's as if it's trying to be faulty on purpose. Which is why they're down here. But it also happened the first time I played with them and they were town there so it's mostly null
Salvatore Monday - Scummish Null - Has done about nothing besides vote Jim. Needs more from. Actually, I think that by themself they aren't suspicious, it's that Toony thinks they're good which ? what
Toonyman - Scum lean - Thinks that Salvatore Monday is good. Scumreads Tricmagic for being wrong which Town!Tric has done

~Most Want Eliminated~

Here she scumreads Salvatore Monday because of another player's read on him. This just doesn't make sense at all.
She scumreads ToonyMan for having a scum read on TricMagic. But let's look at Toony's post...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The easy gut reads
Agentt - my buddy
Imp - my other buddy
Vermilion - good dude, fell down stairs

The good dudes
S Monday - feels good dude, anybody want to vote them is bad dude
toastercultist - pretty good dude
Krr1ss - need to look at again, feel like good dude though
The Canada Cat - meow

The dangerous if bad guy
Magma - I hope is good dude, has made my favorite points out of everyone in the game so far. Chance of going for hat win = 42%.
NQT - Tric no like, probably good dude. Chance of going for hat win = 50%
Jim - I like this post. I feel similarly to Jim in most areas (and most importantly I think his read on me being as interested as him in the game is very on point) so probably good dude. Chance of going for hat win = 69.69%

People I'm less sure about
Jack - I feel like they're patting me and Magma on the back...chance of going for hat win also feels very low, why is this?
Crystal - I don't like them voting S.Monday for their posting style

The enemy
Tric - bad guy or wrong about everything, desire to hat win = 100%

I probably vote Jack the most right now. Tric probably isn't a good vote either from my instincts, I think.

@Jack:
Why destroy hats?

@Crystal:
Their posting style doesn't bother me at all, why does it matter?

ToonyMan says that Tric is either a bad guy OR is wrong about everything. He's not implying a causal relationship there. A diligent reader will notice that ToonyMan has TricMagic in his own category due to his likelihood of going for a hat win, not because of a scum read.
In short, Crystalizedmire's scum read of ToonyMan is based on a misinterpretation of his post. I wouldn't find this scummy. However, here's the kicker:

@Crystal:
I think Tric will be harmful, more so than usual, but they're not a good vote unless I believe they're mafia, which I don't feel strongly about.

Yeah, I understand that.

ToonyMan explains himself and Crystalizedmire allegedly understands. However, she doesn't change her vote, and continues voting for him until the end of the day!
Her entire reason for suspecting ToonyMan was thrown in the trash, but she doesn't update her read. There's no indication here that Crystalizedmire wants to find mafia. She's not interested in thinking that ToonyMan might be town. She only wants to appear consistent in her reads. This is damning evidence.

=== Day Two ===

Jokes aside, my top suspicion is magma. Krr1ss I have too much residual goodwill, Toony and Euchre seems to be doing it as a policy elim, sal is dead, magma seems to be the only one who actually believed in the cause.

In what world is being wrong scummy? A townie looking at that wagon would suspect either a) one of the people who jumped on near the end as a policy elimination, or b) her top suspect from yesterday, ToonyMan.
As an aside, scum killing someone who was on the wagon means that probably everyone on it is town.

After this, Crystalizedmire says basically nothing of consequence, just street fighter and role stuff. She ends up voting for ToonyMan because he was the third on Canadian kitten's wagon. Very little scumhunting going on here. Please vote for Crystalizedmire so that we can lynch mafia today, thanks in advance.

Now this is Urist that I love. I'll read myself soon but for now, Crystal

[Magma Mater]

You're just gonna follow me without reading my post huh 

[Krr1ss]

Yeeeeeeeep.

But for some reason VS gets read as town by a lot of people despite this behavior.

VermilionSkies can be read by smarm. More smarm means more town.

What's smarm?

[Krr1ss]

You're just gonna follow me without reading my post huh 

I read the post, I meant ISO crystal and others hahah

[ToonyMan]

@Magma:
You're right I think Crystal's votes on me have been bad for exactly the reasons you're saying. I don't know if they're doing it because they're mafia, but it's possible. I think it's possible they're scum and I'm okay voting them, but it's not something I want to do right now.

avoid bringing it up altogether. EuchreJack is implicated by the contradiction but seems entirely unbothered by it, which I find strange. I guess it's possible that Magma Mater made the contradicting claim and through PSYCHIC TOWN LASER BEAMS EuchreJack instantly knew what Magma Mater was going for and instantly understood the pro town rationale with no communication whatsoever, but if that isn't the case then there's something off about this entire interaction.

Somebody convince me that I'm just old and bad and lame and that it's all actually totally fine go to sleep grandpa.

This is basically why I'm scumreading EuchreJack, yeah. He's too tolerant of my lies LMAO.

That's an understandable suspicion of Jack. I'm not sure if it means he's scum or just doesn't give a fuck.

[Krr1ss]

@Krr1ss:
Your ISO on me feels really biased. I'm not sure of your intent but I'm going to say it's not malicious.

Actually I noticed it myself. Dw tho, if others appear worse, I'll vote them 100%.