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[Krr1ss]

If it's Agentt tho, why not pick more familiar people like Urist, Imp, and me? Unless it's random. Maybe he hates our guts? I don't think that's the case so it's possible that it's someone else. You guys should explore that as I believe that town knowing what they can expect each other will help us overwhelmingly more then just everyone hiding what they can do and not being cooperative enough to help scum who likely have much stronger abilities, won't miss probably, and are cooperating to boost each other

I don't get this part. I am null because I'm not part of your mason chat?

Speaking of, that mason chat is either a hat ability (unlikely) or part of someone's role. Someone that's in the chat. I am leaning on Agentt purely because he's an anxious person who needs people to encourage and reinforce his beliefs

Mason chats are alignment confirmed for those inside, and they've said it's not that.

Usually in B12, chats that exist as of D1 with no N0 are almost always Mod-designed, and for reasons.

Like, Mater's last hosted game, there was a 'Duelist' unconfirmed alignment chat - it had everyone who had submitted a board game with a duelist component (and mafia had an ability to add any one person to it as well... Sal was maf that game and picked town me to add.  OMG I dueled 'em in there, was 2 maf and 1 town before I was added, and I felt like I was in a scum chat 2 )

NQT's last hosted game had 1 player who could create unconfirmed-alignment chats between any 2 players, including himself if he wanted, that lasted for 1 day.

We've had various alignment-unconfirmed chats, and they can be chosen-members or mod-selected, but I'd lean towards expecting an 'existing as of D1, in a no-N0 game' to probably have mod-chosen members, and something about their roles likely explains their membership.

Some of them call it various things.  At a guess maybe Tric actually named it,

This Theater is the worst kept secret since my early mafia days. Jeeze.

While we aren't masons, Skies, Cat, Agentt and I are in a Night Theater.

Chances are high they are in it because they have some movie or play or maybe even music related role, and the rest of us are not in it because our roles don't match that category:

Ow. Strike one, I suppose.

The thing that kills me is a status effect with a timer, not an ability. Once Downwards Escalator reaches zero, game over, I die.*
It's impossible to remove Downwards Escalator from me.

Really had to pick that movie didn't you. Ugh.

It's hard to guess why the chat exists, for me at least.  It might exist because of one of them, because of a different player, or because of non-player-related mechanics (like the duelist chat happened because there were duel-related games at the start, but there wasn't a specific player that caused it or could end it if removed).  That's my best guess, if we had reason to guess, it's there because it fit the game instead of 'some player made it happen by direct choice' - simply because without a N0 that would be weird with how stuff is often done here (It's possible though).

Okay, this is unironically very useful info. Thank you

[notquitethere]

I like that Salvatore has made some (not particularly useful but nevertheless entertaining) post with some actual content. Toony is having fun pretending it's good stuff and not garbage. I like the playfulness here. It's not necessarily townsided but it's also definitely not trad risk averse scum play.

They'll both get resolved through the night game I suspect...

Actually, new tack:

toastercultist, Vermillion, why am I voting you both?

[Krr1ss]

I like that Salvatore has made some (not particularly useful but nevertheless entertaining) post with some actual content. Toony is having fun pretending it's good stuff and not garbage. I like the playfulness here. It's not necessarily townsided but it's also definitely not trad risk averse scum play.

They'll both get resolved through the night game I suspect...

Actually, new tack:

toastercultist, Vermillion, why am I voting you both?

Hi, what do you think about my slot

[notquitethere]

I'm aware Tric has been FOSing me. He's got two votes, surely he can put his big boy boots on and put my name in red lights.

So far his case is: I haven't posted as much as he has (this is true of most of the players) and I have two votes without it being a hat ability as if hat abilities and player abilities couldn't overlap. This is clearly my power, I'm not lying about having two votes, so it's a weird angle for him to take.

(Of course, scum don't want me alive at LYLO with an unknown number of extra votes at my disposal, but it would be wrongheaded of me to think everyone who suspects me is scum. That's the classic newb mistake.)

I like that Salvatore has made some (not particularly useful but nevertheless entertaining) post with some actual content. Toony is having fun pretending it's good stuff and not garbage. I like the playfulness here. It's not necessarily townsided but it's also definitely not trad risk averse scum play.

They'll both get resolved through the night game I suspect...

Actually, new tack:

toastercultist, Vermillion, why am I voting you both?

Hi, what do you think about my slot

You've been active and engaged, and that's the kind of player who earns a place into D2. For me, except if there's some extraordinary scum slim or weird mechanics going on, D1 there's not enough info to go on to make a truly informed choice. So it's best to eliminate the player who has the least amout of moxy. Who wants it the least?

That's not the same as lurkers, or low post count havers. It's about assessing attitude.

[Crystalizedmire]

Krr1ss: I think  Salvatore Monday is a lot more suspicious right now but not sure if theyre the most suspicious. Not sure if theyre teamed with Toony. It seems way too obvious for them to be teamed.

Want Monday out?

Not yet. Not yet...

[Krr1ss]

I'm aware Tric has been FOSing me. He's got two votes, surely he can put his big boy boots on and put my name in red lights.

So far his case is: I haven't posted as much as he has (this is true of most of the players) and I have two votes without it being a hat ability as if hat abilities and player abilities couldn't overlap. This is clearly my power, I'm not lying about having two votes, so it's a weird angle for him to take.

(Of course, scum don't want me alive at LYLO with an unknown number of extra votes at my disposal, but it would be wrongheaded of me to think everyone who suspects me is scum. That's the classic newb mistake.)

I like that Salvatore has made some (not particularly useful but nevertheless entertaining) post with some actual content. Toony is having fun pretending it's good stuff and not garbage. I like the playfulness here. It's not necessarily townsided but it's also definitely not trad risk averse scum play.

They'll both get resolved through the night game I suspect...

Actually, new tack:

toastercultist, Vermillion, why am I voting you both?

Hi, what do you think about my slot

You've been active and engaged, and that's the kind of player who earns a place into D2. For me, except if there's some extraordinary scum slim or weird mechanics going on, D1 there's not enough info to go on to make a truly informed choice. So it's best to eliminate the player who has the least amout of moxy. Who wants it the least?

That's not the same as lurkers, or low post count havers. It's about assessing attitude.

Noted!

[Krr1ss]

Krr1ss: I think  Salvatore Monday is a lot more suspicious right now but not sure if theyre the most suspicious. Not sure if theyre teamed with Toony. It seems way too obvious for them to be teamed.

Want Monday out?

Not yet. Not yet...

Good, I don't either.

[Krr1ss]

Okay, Tric town lean.

[EuchreJack]

In no world do I vote out Salvatore Monday today.

[Krr1ss]

Okay, Tric town lean.

As of ISO:
Town Reads:
N/A
Strong Town Leans:
Tric
Weak Town Leans:
Urist
NULL:
N/A
Weak Scum Leans:
N/A
Strong Scum Leans:
N/A

Feel free to ignore this post, I am too lazy to make notes. This can also be used for you guys to question me or smth, idk.

[Krr1ss]

Okay, Tric town lean.

As of ISO:
Town Reads:
N/A
Strong Town Leans:
Tric
Weak Town Leans:
Urist
NULL:
N/A
Weak Scum Leans:
N/A
Strong Scum Leans:
N/A

Feel free to ignore this post, I am too lazy to make notes. This can also be used for you guys to question me or smth, idk.

Nvm, I have to take noted or I'll lose my thoughts by day2. Sucks

[Crystalizedmire]

So write notes while you still can.

[Krr1ss]

So write notes while you still can.

I can write for a long time, trust me. I ain't dying

[Krr1ss]

Urist except for Kitten, got anything else you want to share? Scum or town reads?

[Imp]

You guys should explore that as I believe that town knowing what they can expect each other will help us overwhelmingly more then just everyone hiding what they can do and not being cooperative enough to help scum who likely have much stronger abilities, won't miss probably, and are cooperating to boost each other

Mixed bag in these games.  As in, every game is built so different, and every role, that sometimes pro-town sharing info helps town hugely, sometimes it helps anti-town hugely, and sometimes different people have different needs.

Like the last game here, the one Mater hosted.  My town role needed complete secrecy.  Mafia had so incredibly many ways to mess town up and I had a secret but messible-up power... plus I needed to live to end game (In case town lost) to save the day.  That too needed secrecy.

And I had one ability that self targeted, and maf had many ways (even if they had to be creative to figure them out) to prevent self-targeting me from ever acting again (until they should have won; if they let me live that long, I'd have been freer than superfree and coming for their heads... hopefully no more than 2 maf heads left then or town's still gonna lose... probably.  But a huge advantage to hide like heck what I was doing, could do, couldn't do, all of it.

Town repeatedly investigated me (that's fine) and reported my actions (not cool at all, there's bleepin' maf listening!  And they can figure stuff out and I have... one terrifying pattern that is the only thing I can do, and I'm as dead as dead if they hit me before I unlock one specific thing, and then they just need to kill me twice).

People (some maf) pushed like heck to find out if I was roleblocked when they expected me to be (I wasn't, I was immune to roleblock, but also getting hit with other stuff I was so not immune to).  I wasn't about to reveal anything; if maf want to pepper me with roleblocks I want them to, as many as they wanna waste - that's fewer used on my fellow town, great.

So I treated all that game as me being a townie secret, regardless of how unhappy that made my fellow players (It was not enjoyed, but hey, town won, and I didn't even need to go super 'you think you won?  Oh no.  The game has finally begun' - we actually won normally, though it was close, went to final 3).

Other games, I am very open about what I'm doing or can't do.

It's always a calculated risk though.  There could be anti-town waiting to hear something they can use.  And they may be able to use it better for them than any townie can for town.  But that's game-specific and perhaps more often role specific in B12.  So, each player tends to be more open or not.

You've been open about needing/wanting info and wanting cooperation; you've warned about the risk of benefit to maf.  I don't wanna help maf either (I weak town-lean krr1ss, low confidence, that's gonna be easier for me once I have more meta on you - so far I know you only as a very interesting and enjoyable host for a game that ended way too soon, not even end of D1, alas.  But I like you... and have no idea how you play as maf or town, I didn't even get to deep dive your host-ness because you didn't make the game you hosted, right?) but I'm pretty open to cooperation and being helped as well as helping.  Got all my blenders busy tonight though already, got a precious... whatever it is... to see if I can 'mend' into survivability with one of my favorite players, Verm.

I remember you asked me not to touch your abilities; I'll mention that I don't just randomize abilities (and that's a rather extreme thing that could be awful, randomizing could do anything to any degree.).  I can do far more controlled stuff, like set them up to 'grow' and do more besides (that cannot possibly save Verm with what he described - would maybe make his situation vastly worse - but our God knows much and this is surely, clearly, designed - based on what Verm said, this is literally the only way I can think of to maybe have to help his situation.  Thanks, God!  I am grateful, God!  May all that happens always please you!).