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Author Topic: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)  (Read 13137 times)

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #420 on: March 05, 2025, 01:51:32 pm »

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Ban thing was a joke.

As for Sal, I'm tentatively pairing you two. You seemed eager to jump on the opportunity to town him and this fits your powerwolf playstyle. As far as I'm aware, if one of you two flip scum, the other's credibility will be hit quite a bit
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #421 on: March 05, 2025, 01:57:59 pm »

What's the troll?

We don't ban for trolling here, though we have to be not-too-mean to each other, that's a B12 forum rule and we're all well inside how mean we can get in a mafia game (our head of community actually negotiated for special allowances for mafia games and meanness, we can be a little rough.  But nice is great if we can kill each other while using kind or neutral words that's best.

I easily read the text by highlighting it; I also modify the quote to make it easier to see for all.

I have a few guesses.

I don't think the categories used are necessarily are full reads and rankings; I bet they move as needed.  I'm not surprised if our Ghost Sal is closely following the game, has reads and stuff he's choosing not to share in detail.  I have no opinion if the apparent post restriction is real or not.

But I do think, again entirely from intuition - this is not backed up by mech - I think Sal is pro-town.  I think we should keep him around and see what happens, it's probably a bad idea for us to elim him today.  I get the temptation.  I think there's so much more here we haven't seen yet, for one - but for two.  What matters is if Sal is pro-town.  If he is - then I say he can literally do anything he wants other than play really harmfully for town (the same expectation I have for all pro-town).  I see no evidence of bad play or anti-town intention.  Key - I infer no anti-townness.  My personal 'psychic guess' if I have such a thing says 'this Sal can live, actually this Sal feels very good'.  Maybe Sal can project that and trick me.  But it's consistent, I keep feeling it.

If I die early, consider that maybe Sal wanted me dead before I noticed likely issues with Sal - before my 'this is likely pro-town Sal' could change.  Still, anti-town can use that too, but if I'm gone and Sal around, consider how the game's going.  If town is doing really badly, and I'm dead and Sal still alive, I tentatively recommend don't let Sal go past D3 unless you have evidence that he's very useful and there's other reasons town is doing badly.

I'm going to hope that is satisfactory to you, Sal.  I don't know if you can and will discuss if it isn't.  But that gives a lot of time for town to do well; if I am alive I will be reassessing as I can/have reason to too.
[Constellation, Ghost of Nonexistence, smiles enigmatically and inclines its head.]
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #422 on: March 05, 2025, 01:59:20 pm »

Reply to Imp:
Ban thing was a joke.

As for Sal, I'm tentatively pairing you two. You seemed eager to jump on the opportunity to town him and this fits your powerwolf playstyle. As far as I'm aware, if one of you two flip scum, the other's credibility will be hit quite a bit

Your reads are your responsibility, thanks for sharing what you have of them and your reasons and thinking.

I'm town.  I don't know what the heck Sal is, but I've shared my read and its reasons.  It doesn't help that you know only me as maf in that one game you hosted, but I have dozens of town games and everything I learned about mafia I learned from the town side; my maf-align game is my town-align game just tuned towards my current wincon.  Thing is, I try to play exactly the same as any alignment, so sus of me is fine.  Sus of everyone not alignment confirmed to you is fine - and you can act suspicious of them too if you see reason to.

But yeah, if I flip before Sal, especially really early.  I don't know what to say about Sal.  Watch him and all; think, everyone.  Whole lot of power there in that Sal slot; I hope, and believe likely, it's pro-town power, but I have no mech to back that up right now.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #423 on: March 05, 2025, 02:03:49 pm »

As for Sal, I'm tentatively pairing you two. You seemed eager to jump on the opportunity to town him and this fits your powerwolf playstyle. As far as I'm aware, if one of you two flip scum, the other's credibility will be hit quite a bit
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Ghost of Nonexistence: The day the one who snaps up unconsidered trifles and I are teamed scum is the day town loses d1. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: Luckily, you don't have to worry about that this time.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #424 on: March 05, 2025, 02:06:30 pm »

Reply to Imp:
Ban thing was a joke.

As for Sal, I'm tentatively pairing you two. You seemed eager to jump on the opportunity to town him and this fits your powerwolf playstyle. As far as I'm aware, if one of you two flip scum, the other's credibility will be hit quite a bit

Your reads are your responsibility, thanks for sharing what you have of them and your reasons and thinking.

I'm town.  I don't know what the heck Sal is, but I've shared my read and its reasons.  It doesn't help that you know only me as maf in that one game you hosted, but I have dozens of town games and everything I learned about mafia I learned from the town side; my maf-align game is my town-align game just tuned towards my current wincon.  Thing is, I try to play exactly the same as any alignment, so sus of me is fine.  Sus of everyone not alignment confirmed to you is fine - and you can act suspicious of them too if you see reason to.

But yeah, if I flip before Sal, especially really early.  I don't know what to say about Sal.  Watch him and all; think, everyone.  Whole lot of power there in that Sal slot; I hope, and believe likely, it's pro-town power, but I have no mech to back that up right now.
Sure? You are still town in my head
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #425 on: March 05, 2025, 02:08:23 pm »

As for Sal, I'm tentatively pairing you two. You seemed eager to jump on the opportunity to town him and this fits your powerwolf playstyle. As far as I'm aware, if one of you two flip scum, the other's credibility will be hit quite a bit
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Ghost of Nonexistence: The day the one who snaps up unconsidered trifles and I are teamed scum is the day town loses d1. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: Luckily, you don't have to worry about that this time.
So you are able to contribute quite a bit huh? Noted. If it's limited, I kindly ask that you focus more on reads then
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #426 on: March 05, 2025, 02:46:10 pm »

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten
Finally Monday has spoke and boy do I have problems. There's no explanation at all
The entire awful section and below is questionable. First of all, scum reading someone who has tried to pressure you into communicating is suspicious. Second of all, Krr1ss lower than Agentt? Really? Ive been coming around on Krr1ss and I find them less suspcious Agentt due to being more engaging. Thirdly, Canadian Kitten at the bottom tells me that you're just following magma mater opinion and I really dont follow magma maters logic on the subject. Toastercultist so low is also suspicious because I find Imp's post have faulty logic in it too.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #427 on: March 05, 2025, 02:49:07 pm »

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten
Finally Monday has spoke and boy do I have problems. There's no explanation at all
The entire awful section and below is questionable. First of all, scum reading someone who has tried to pressure you into communicating is suspicious. Second of all, Krr1ss lower than Agentt? Really? Ive been coming around on Krr1ss and I find them less suspcious Agentt due to being more engaging. Thirdly, Canadian Kitten at the bottom tells me that you're just following magma mater opinion and I really dont follow magma maters logic on the subject. Toastercultist so low is also suspicious because I find Imp's post have faulty logic in it too.
Thank you. Btw, who is your top scum read and possible team?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #428 on: March 05, 2025, 03:28:03 pm »

Okay, what about the Theater chat? I suspect we'd get one scum in there so who's most suspicious out of Tric/Cat/Vermilion/Agentt?

It's not Tric.
It could be Cat if Magma is right.
It could be Vermilion if Jim is right and me and Imp are wrong.
It could be Agentt if Jim and me are wrong.

Out of this it feels like Cat or Vermilion are the most likely to be scum if the scenario guess is correct.
What's the point of going after a dead man? And who is to say there is only one
And who is to say that Fallacy will for sure add scum into the theater chat?
Fallacy can be a bit of a troll when designing games after all.
You're right. It's one reason why I'm not coming to paranoid conclusion about what my hat implies existing.

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

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Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten
Salivating Monday is so town oh my ghostly goodness.

This is the most

town post

I've ever read in 15 years of mafia.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #429 on: March 05, 2025, 03:32:47 pm »

Finally Monday has spoke and boy do I have problems. There's no explanation at all
The entire awful section and below is questionable. First of all, scum reading someone who has tried to pressure you into communicating is suspicious. Second of all, Krr1ss lower than Agentt? Really? Ive been coming around on Krr1ss and I find them less suspcious Agentt due to being more engaging. Thirdly, Canadian Kitten at the bottom tells me that you're just following magma mater opinion and I really dont follow magma maters logic on the subject. Toastercultist so low is also suspicious because I find Imp's post have faulty logic in it too.
The one who smelt it, dealt it.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #430 on: March 05, 2025, 03:33:59 pm »

Okay, what about the Theater chat? I suspect we'd get one scum in there so who's most suspicious out of Tric/Cat/Vermilion/Agentt?

It's not Tric.
It could be Cat if Magma is right.
It could be Vermilion if Jim is right and me and Imp are wrong.
It could be Agentt if Jim and me are wrong.

Out of this it feels like Cat or Vermilion are the most likely to be scum if the scenario guess is correct.
What's the point of going after a dead man? And who is to say there is only one
And who is to say that Fallacy will for sure add scum into the theater chat?
Fallacy can be a bit of a troll when designing games after all.
You're right. It's one reason why I'm not coming to paranoid conclusion about what my hat implies existing.

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

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Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten
Salivating Monday is so town oh my ghostly goodness.

This is the most

town post

I've ever read in 15 years of mafia.
He gives off Nydus vibes to me. Feels like a low hanging fruit that's slightly scummy and doesn't explain much at all but in the end, it's actually scum.

I am not calling him scum btw. This is enough for me to let them live another day for sure. Especially since that role must be useful in some way. It just tempts me to think of it as a role that actives upon death.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #431 on: March 05, 2025, 03:37:47 pm »

Krr1ss: I think  Salvatore Monday is a lot more suspicious right now but not sure if theyre the most suspicious. Not sure if theyre teamed with Toony. It seems way too obvious for them to be teamed.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #432 on: March 05, 2025, 03:39:39 pm »

Krr1ss: I think  Salvatore Monday is a lot more suspicious right now but not sure if theyre the most suspicious. Not sure if theyre teamed with Toony. It seems way too obvious for them to be teamed.
Want Monday out?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 1 - Car Crash (14 / 14) - 1 Replacement Requested
« Reply #433 on: March 05, 2025, 03:48:08 pm »

Like.. It's Day 1, vibes and interaction is all we got today. Is NQT interacting, or just decrying other's opinions?

His posts look fine to me.
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« Reply #434 on: March 05, 2025, 03:52:09 pm »

If it's Agentt tho, why not pick more familiar people like Urist, Imp, and me? Unless it's random. Maybe he hates our guts? I don't think that's the case so it's possible that it's someone else. You guys should explore that as I believe that town knowing what they can expect each other will help us overwhelmingly more then just everyone hiding what they can do and not being cooperative enough to help scum who likely have much stronger abilities, won't miss probably, and are cooperating to boost each other

I don't get this part. I am null because I'm not part of your mason chat?

Speaking of, that mason chat is either a hat ability (unlikely) or part of someone's role. Someone that's in the chat. I am leaning on Agentt purely because he's an anxious person who needs people to encourage and reinforce his beliefs

Mason chats are alignment confirmed for those inside, and they've said it's not that.

Usually in B12, chats that exist as of D1 with no N0 are almost always Mod-designed, and for reasons.

Like, Mater's last hosted game, there was a 'Duelist' unconfirmed alignment chat - it had everyone who had submitted a board game with a duelist component (and mafia had an ability to add any one person to it as well... Sal was maf that game and picked town me to add.  OMG I dueled 'em in there, was 2 maf and 1 town before I was added, and I felt like I was in a scum chat 2 :P)

NQT's last hosted game had 1 player who could create unconfirmed-alignment chats between any 2 players, including himself if he wanted, that lasted for 1 day.

We've had various alignment-unconfirmed chats, and they can be chosen-members or mod-selected, but I'd lean towards expecting an 'existing as of D1, in a no-N0 game' to probably have mod-chosen members, and something about their roles likely explains their membership.

Some of them call it various things.  At a guess maybe Tric actually named it,

This Theater is the worst kept secret since my early mafia days. Jeeze.

While we aren't masons, Skies, Cat, Agentt and I are in a Night Theater.

Chances are high they are in it because they have some movie or play or maybe even music related role, and the rest of us are not in it because our roles don't match that category:

Ow. Strike one, I suppose.

The thing that kills me is a status effect with a timer, not an ability. Once Downwards Escalator reaches zero, game over, I die.*
It's impossible to remove Downwards Escalator from me.
Really had to pick that movie didn't you. Ugh.

It's hard to guess why the chat exists, for me at least.  It might exist because of one of them, because of a different player, or because of non-player-related mechanics (like the duelist chat happened because there were duel-related games at the start, but there wasn't a specific player that caused it or could end it if removed).  That's my best guess, if we had reason to guess, it's there because it fit the game instead of 'some player made it happen by direct choice' - simply because without a N0 that would be weird with how stuff is often done here (It's possible though).
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