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[Krr1ss]

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Imp: I appreciate your faith greatly, but Fallacy is the Devil and is after my soul-(don't default on car loans in hell.) My role has two abilities, one of them kills me at the end of the next day, and the other sends a sixth of my soul irreversibly to the abyss.
Are you capable of interacting with an unremovable status?

Here's the day/night2 thing he said.

That seems like they're trying preserve themself if anything.

@Crystal:
I think Tric will be harmful, more so than usual, but they're not a good vote unless I believe they're mafia, which I don't feel strongly about.

Yeah, I understand that.

Tric - Probably just someone trying for hat victory but they are still town. I'd appreciate it if we all decided to collectively have only one person mug them while another assesses them. Vermillion mugging seems like a good option as their chances of hat victory seem as slim as mine. Imp can assess cuz I town her.

On this, I get assessment, but why Mug? Like, is mugging a free action?
actually reads the hat informational. Apparently so. I am anti-hat apparently. Wouldn't an assessment be enough to tell? It counts night end total.

Mug planning feels like the hats held will inflate quickly, forcing HATLO way way too early.
On an aside, is Toony planning to go for Hat Tyrant? If so vote them out today so we don't have to deal with that.

This, for some reason, made me think that Tric has an ability to Mug twice or something. Basically something that helps Hat victory

I don't think so. I think that he just didn't read the original post. Besides that, having an ability to mug twice specifically would be very overpowered and I doubt that Fallacy would do that.

Why not, I find that, with some caveat, quite reasonable in this game

Okay, which part of my post are you responding to?

I think that two-mug ability or something similar which gives hat advantage is quite reasonable in this game.
I kinda rate specific powers in my head, ranging from SS, which would for example be absolute knowledge of everyone's roles and hats (which is my first submission actually but I found that boring) to D like giving someone a fruit. For reference, Doctor is B while NCN vig is A.
Anyway, I have S tier power and one more C~A tier depending on my (in)ability (skill) and two mug seems somewhere along the line of S tier which is reasonable.
In fact, judging by Fallacy's crazy laugh at me thinking my role is strong, I am guessing there's an SS tier power in play. At least one. And it's quite possible it's scum's power.

Ah, it goes like:
SSS
SS
S
A
B
C
D

No idea what can count as SSS, just knowing everything including alignment or something?

And sorry for long quotes, I'm on phone and I ain't fixing that. Actually I can maybe try spoiler.

[Imp]

In fact, judging by Fallacy's crazy laugh at me thinking my role is strong, I am guessing there's an SS tier power in play. At least one. And it's quite possible it's scum's power.

I did mention that B12 is home to extreme power games, my favorite type!

[Krr1ss]

In fact, judging by Fallacy's crazy laugh at me thinking my role is strong, I am guessing there's an SS tier power in play. At least one. And it's quite possible it's scum's power.

I did mention that B12 is home to extreme power games, my favorite type!

That's why I'm here!

[Krr1ss]

Vermillion I've been meaning to ask, since you gonna doe anyway, and I'm guessing your role is crazy strong, you don't intend on not targeting others right? What's the point of not using it if you gonna die either way

[VermilionSkies]

Kriss: As I mentioned in the post you quoted fairly recently, using my abilities is what kills me - for the most part.
Honestly, I wouldn't say my active abilities are actually that powerful. I have an investigate that I think would bypass protections, due to what it's looking for, but it's not anything special past that, other than the 'sends my soul down towards hell' thing.
I do have another ability, but it's a one-shot and also kills me at the end of the day after it's used, so I'm not inclined to throw it out for no reason.
My Autos are kind of funny, though.
Jim: I dislike your posts because at the time of writing that, you seemed less than amicable for the most part. There were a lot of people making very similar posts in ways less hostile to cooperation, which isn't necessarily a town-tell, but I still consider it better.

[Krr1ss]

Kriss: As I mentioned in the post you quoted fairly recently, using my abilities is what kills me - for the most part.
Honestly, I wouldn't say my active abilities are actually that powerful. I have an investigate that I think would bypass protections, due to what it's looking for, but it's not anything special past that, other than the 'sends my soul down towards hell' thing.
I do have another ability, but it's a one-shot and also kills me at the end of the day after it's used, so I'm not inclined to throw it out for no reason.
My Autos are kind of funny, though.
Jim: I dislike your posts because at the time of writing that, you seemed less than amicable for the most part. There were a lot of people making very similar posts in ways less hostile to cooperation, which isn't necessarily a town-tell, but I still consider it better.

So I misunderstood and you aren't dying soon?

[Salvatore Monday]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

[VermilionSkies]

Kriss: As I mentioned in the post you quoted fairly recently, using my abilities is what kills me - for the most part.
Honestly, I wouldn't say my active abilities are actually that powerful. I have an investigate that I think would bypass protections, due to what it's looking for, but it's not anything special past that, other than the 'sends my soul down towards hell' thing.
I do have another ability, but it's a one-shot and also kills me at the end of the day after it's used, so I'm not inclined to throw it out for no reason.
My Autos are kind of funny, though.
Jim: I dislike your posts because at the time of writing that, you seemed less than amicable for the most part. There were a lot of people making very similar posts in ways less hostile to cooperation, which isn't necessarily a town-tell, but I still consider it better.

So I misunderstood and you aren't dying soon?

Essentially. I'm pretty hard to kill, unless the Devil does it.

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later. :)
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

absolutely deranged to use invisitext in a mafia game

[Krr1ss]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

I'm the bottom of the list :/

At least he's participating although I don't like the fact that nothing is explained. Role seems unhelpful too but hey. At least this proves they can participate so I don't wanna go there. Especially since I like most of the list although some are questionable (like me)

[Krr1ss]

Kriss: As I mentioned in the post you quoted fairly recently, using my abilities is what kills me - for the most part.
Honestly, I wouldn't say my active abilities are actually that powerful. I have an investigate that I think would bypass protections, due to what it's looking for, but it's not anything special past that, other than the 'sends my soul down towards hell' thing.
I do have another ability, but it's a one-shot and also kills me at the end of the day after it's used, so I'm not inclined to throw it out for no reason.
My Autos are kind of funny, though.
Jim: I dislike your posts because at the time of writing that, you seemed less than amicable for the most part. There were a lot of people making very similar posts in ways less hostile to cooperation, which isn't necessarily a town-tell, but I still consider it better.

So I misunderstood and you aren't dying soon?

Essentially. I'm pretty hard to kill, unless the Devil does it.

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

absolutely deranged to use invisitext in a mafia game

Oh, get the heck out if my town reads then sir. Stay in leans.

[Magma Mater]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

[Krr1ss]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

someone ban this guy for trolling me

[Salvatore Monday]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

[Constellation, Ghost of Nonexistence, grins wider.]

[Krr1ss]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

[Constellation, Ghost of Nonexistence, grins wider.]

Hello Ghost of Nonexistence, will your restriction be lifted with time? Can you post this kind of thing only once or twice per day permanently?
If both are true, strong agree.
If only one, make some kind of weak affirmation.
If none answer with neither agreement or disagreement.
If both are wrong, show disagreement.
If you think that missing something, show a pondering kind of expression.

[Imp]

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

someone ban this guy for trolling me

What's the troll?

We don't ban for trolling here, though we have to be not-too-mean to each other, that's a B12 forum rule and we're all well inside how mean we can get in a mafia game (our head of community actually negotiated for special allowances for mafia games and meanness, we can be a little rough.  But nice is great if we can kill each other while using kind or neutral words that's best.

I easily read the text by highlighting it; I also modify the quote to make it easier to see for all.

I have a few guesses.

I don't think the categories used are necessarily are full reads and rankings; I bet they move as needed.  I'm not surprised if our Ghost Sal is closely following the game, has reads and stuff he's choosing not to share in detail.  I have no opinion if the apparent post restriction is real or not.

But I do think, again entirely from intuition - this is not backed up by mech - I think Sal is pro-town.  I think we should keep him around and see what happens, it's probably a bad idea for us to elim him today.  I get the temptation.  I think there's so much more here we haven't seen yet, for one - but for two.  What matters is if Sal is pro-town.  If he is - then I say he can literally do anything he wants other than play really harmfully for town (the same expectation I have for all pro-town).  I see no evidence of bad play or anti-town intention.  Key - I infer no anti-townness.  My personal 'psychic guess' if I have such a thing says 'this Sal can live, actually this Sal feels very good'.  Maybe Sal can project that and trick me.  But it's consistent, I keep feeling it.

If I die early, consider that maybe Sal wanted me dead before I noticed likely issues with Sal - before my 'this is likely pro-town Sal' could change.  Still, anti-town can use that too, but if I'm gone and Sal around, consider how the game's going.  If town is doing really badly, and I'm dead and Sal still alive, I tentatively recommend don't let Sal go past D3 unless you have evidence that he's very useful and there's other reasons town is doing badly.

I'm going to hope that is satisfactory to you, Sal.  I don't know if you can and will discuss if it isn't.  But that gives a lot of time for town to do well; if I am alive I will be reassessing as I can/have reason to too.