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[Magma Mater]

The Canadian Kitten

[Crystalizedmire]

@Imp still not there?

Or should I use red color?
Imp

Ah, wait, doesn't this count as vote hahah.
unvote

Salvador Monday I wanna park here until they somehow can prove that they can be useful to town. There's no point in having a potential risk if it's impossible so determine their reads.

Salvador try to find a way of making reads or at the very least, react to this message. I am not sure if I wanna keep a vote like this but I feel the need to pressure someone who may end up being dead weight later (due to post restrictions).

Try signaling me that you can make reads and are actively participating in the hame. [The forgotten being gazed longingly] or something I don't know

Salvatore might be deadweight but I'm not sure if they're a good day elim since we can't find their remaining mafia members due to their lurking.

The Canadian Kitten

Why?

[Krr1ss]

Canadian seemed the most towny to me, weird

[Magma Mater]

Canadian seemed the most towny to me, weird

Yeah that is weird. Why did you read him as town?

[Krr1ss]

Canadian seemed the most towny to me, weird

Yeah that is weird. Why did you read him as town?

I forgot. It wasn't a strong read but definitely enough to not want him dead atm

[Crystalizedmire]

Canadian seemed the most towny to me, weird

Yeah that is weird. Why did you read him as town?

Not Krr1ss but TCK's 3 posts are fine to pretty good. I remembered them as being better than what they were but there's nothing scummy about them. TCK has a good question in his first post, his second post was meh, and his third post is fine and a truthful response. He tends to activelurk so I didn't read into his behaviour that much.
Why do you read them as scum? I assume it's the third post that you found suspicious otherwise you would've voted him before.

[Jim Groovester]

Where dunce cap

Who dunce cap

I saw a bunch of discussion by players I didn't recognize and assumed it was stuff that probably wasn't super important for me to read. I'll read it when I get home and hopefully have opinions about players.

Oh notquitethere is voting me. I'll answer that too.

Pfp

[Imp]

Poking along, getting caught up.  Getting interrupted a lot, irl stuff.  I think I get fully caught up within 8 hours though!

I'm sure that the restaurant staff will have a fun time cleaning up after us.
Lol!  Love it.
Imp: How have your playstyle been changing over the games on the forum?

Hey hi!  What was our last game together... OH!  FBYOR6!!

I've played so much mafia since we last played together.  They sent me to Champs; I got modkilled in an off-MU not here game as well.  I was mafia a bunch on MU, mostly turbos (like 6 minute days, 2 minute nights).  I've since won two games when maf with minimal/no maf losses, one here and the other on MU).  Still prefer being pro-town roles but no longer dread being anti-town, especially if I have a team.

I think I'm a much better player then I was in FBYOR6.  I've probably played 20 turbos and at least 20+ regular games since then as well.

Playstyle?  I'm more broad-thinking than I was.  I can track more players/claims/other details at once (life can get in the way.  I literally just moved cross-country and rejoined family I haven't seen in almost a decade; I take very strong anti-COVID precautions and they don't so it's interesting educating them to my needs and absolute minimum requirements to stay with them; they want me here but are very mentally inflexible and need multiple kinds of help themselves, so I get visited/interrupted frequently.  My irl cognitive load right now is exceptionally high).

Also, I'm willing to be more audacious than I was, if I'm sure it is needed.  Like, last game, Urist's BYOBoardGame, I was town and refused to claim essentially anything for fear of what maf probably could do if they knew anything.  And tried to shush all the town that were checking me out and finding self-targeting and (this was the problem) reporting it openly.  But yeah.  I've seen a LOT more mafia games and different playstyles; I've been through Champs and learned other playstyles and mod-styles than ours here.

How about yourself?  Last we played, I barely interacted with you until you'd come back.  How do you currently consider yourself as a player, and how do you think your playstyle's changed since you last played maf here?  Been playing it anywhere else?

It been full year since I played, but I say that I am still a newbie and tended to activelurk though I am making an effort to actually contribute to the game.

Whoops!  Never mind then.  How do you feel about mafia then? What do you love about it?  Just the FBYOR games (excellent taste, even if that's literally the only thing)?

Is it really a good idea to do a claim now, so early in the game when discussions haven't been fully picked up?

My take on this - it can be.  Depends on what someone has to claim.  Given what Urist claimed, I think it's a reasonable D1 claim.

What a wonderful day to have nothing bad happen to me whatsoever.
In other news, votes don't matter quite yet, for reasons that should be apparent on the next votecount.

I'm not interested in hatting this game.

My role is, uh, a little volatile. I'm not sure how long I'll be around.

Hi, Verm!  Missed you.  Glad you're here!  You mention 'volatile' + not sure how long you'll be around.

Do you need help?  I may be able to offer assistance.  I don't know if you choose to share or what you choose to share.  I'm not ready to claim much myself yet without clear reason to, but if you need help please discuss in terms you think are useful for you and probably won't mess up your wincon.  You might be surprised about what kind of help may be available.

I am still very novice, so take care of me~
Not to mention my anxiety.

Regards,
Agentt

Glad you followed me here, Agentt!  Or followed Kr1ss, either way

I do know Imp is a very scary person

Hi! Hi! Hi! Boo! Hi! Hi!

Yeah, well.  If you're pro-town this game, you have little reason to fear me.  I try not to mis-elim, and I try not to mess up pro-town in general.  I can't help being me, I'm just vastly and intensely and expansively me!  I hope you can have fun too.

I really learned very little about you in our quickly-canceled game on the other forum.  Anything we can do to help you feel less anxious that you wanna discuss?  No promises to do/not do the whatever, but knowing might help.  Saying might help, unless you know it doesn't.

[Krr1ss]

I'll go sleep soon but I'll ask. Imp, did you lie at all during pregame? Is your role still a moonshot that's middle ranged power but can't target yourself? Surely something changed, I know that my role did. It went from S tier to B tier hahah.

[VermilionSkies]

Imp: Hi, hello! I don't think I can be saved.
The Devil loves a good chase, after all, but they always claim what's due.

[Imp]

I'll go sleep soon but I'll ask. Imp, did you lie at all during pregame? Is your role still a moonshot that's middle ranged power but can't target yourself? Surely something changed, I know that my role did. It went from S tier to B tier hahah.

Krr1ss, I don't remember what I claimed pre-game except that my role request was rejected 1+ times (that is true, or I claim it is true).  I don't remember claiming if I could self-target or not - I can't see a reason why I would claim if I could self target or not pregame - I don't have my role yet so I don't know if I can or not at that point?

But my last game that wasn't canceled, NQT's BYOBoardGame, I had a role that could only self target until after town would have lost; then I gained a 1-shot kill that forced the maf kill to go where I chose, and all my other abilities upgraded; my self target became a self or other target but would have been very hard to use by then, I was designed to run out of ways to use my self-target and each could be used only once on myself.

I remember talking about moonshots pregame, aha!  You brought it up, I said, "A moonshot... that isn't a jackpot. I guess that is how most of them are.  Fail early...."

Yeah.  I literally meant that, about my not-accepted role request(s).  Most moonshots fail.  They're designed to fail almost instantly if they are not going to succeed.  That saves so much money - if you're not going to succeed, failing like in seconds, before full investment, works great.  Lets you immediately start a new attempt as well, one that might work.

In that sense, my current role is a moonshot, it hasn't burned out/failed yet.  Can you quote what you thought was me talking about "middle ranged power but can't target myself"? I think you misunderstood, because until I saw my role, it could be any level of power and target any way FoU chooses for it.  That's FoU's call not mine unless I expressly rolename-request it... and in my case, get accepted by FoU too

I mean, literally.  Unless you submit to Fal a role name of "middle ranged power but can't target yourself" I don't think we should pre-game expect to know that's what we'd get.  So, I don't think I claimed that.  Happy to explore what you're trying to ask about though!

Imp: Hi, hello! I don't think I can be saved.
The Devil loves a good chase, after all, but they always claim what's due.

Verm... I'd like to introduce myself as 'Imp'.  I don't know much about you inside this game, but I know you are one of my favorite players to play beside and so far (I'm not caught up) you seem likely pro-town.  I don't need much persuasion, helping fix problems is arguably part of my role.  Or I can twist it to that.

If you insist, I'll call myself 'The Devil' (I am sure 'a devil', as Imp) and chase you, insofar as possible but that's probably not a great use of either of our time and I might miss the catch.

Also, I don't know you are my due.  But I do know I can probably reduce your volatility or at least change your situation in some way, under some circumstances.  And what I do isn't exactly 'claiming'.  So decide if you accept help, and we'll explore what can be done, or not.  There are risks, but if you think your wincon is favored by my sticking my nose or whatever into your problem(s), we can explore that.

Agentt is town.

Nobody inspect me or bad things happen.

I could go for a tuna sandwich.

But Toony, you're safer than you were in CYOS1, and that call for a sandwich isn't a call for help, right?

I hope this restaurant serves drinks, no one likes me when I'm dehydrated.

I do know Imp is a very scary person

Imp is a bunny rabbit.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Wub you, NQT!

I'm not claiming to be a restaurant employee and none of the rest is exactly a claim either - but I can probably get you a glass of something or dump a bucket of cold water on you or something if you literally have a thirst problem.  Teleport you into a lake (hopefully near the surface), you suddenly have a Ringer's solution IV, whatever.  Maybe your thirst is just gone for no obvious reason.

But if you're hinting you need help, we can discuss if you choose to.

[The Canadian kitten]

Canadian seemed the most towny to me, weird

Yeah that is weird. Why did you read him as town?

I forgot. It wasn't a strong read but definitely enough to not want him dead atm

Hopefully it wasn't a vibes read. Just saying that "TCk seems happy/towny" doesn't seem to tell me anything about myself or about other players if that same reasoning is used.

I would post something of a reads list, but the problem I find is that I am not aware of meta tells that other people put stock in, of other players to conclude any sorts other than calling some people lean townie/scum, and I'm not sure enough in my reasoning to act upon it, other than the tiny voice within my head that tells me to just randomly vote for whoever I found the scummiest. Would that be reasonable or am I simply thinking somewhere far off than what a Town player should think?

The Canadian Kitten

Would the discussion of pros and cons of town lying and my answer be in any way related to this?

Whoops!  Never mind then.  How do you feel about mafia then? What do you love about it?  Just the FBYOR games (excellent taste, even if that's literally the only thing)?

I'll say I still like Mafia, the feeling of being in a community united by interest make me feel happy things, no matter how much I suck at it, and the general thing where town tries to solve the game via actions taken and claimed in the night.

My take on this - it can be.  Depends on what someone has to claim.  Given what Urist claimed, I think it's a reasonable D1 claim.

Then for future mafia games, what would you consider to be unreasonable claims?


I do realize that I have an issue with taking forever to write up a post. I will try to rectify that

[VermilionSkies]

Imp: I appreciate your faith greatly, but Fallacy is the Devil and is after my soul-(don't default on car loans in hell.) My role has two abilities, one of them kills me at the end of the next day, and the other sends a sixth of my soul irreversibly to the abyss.
Are you capable of interacting with an unremovable status?

[Crystalizedmire]

Imp: You're much better at reading people so what're your reads?

[Imp]

I sure love making up roles orz...

Neutral Dreamer
Target 2 players every night and swap their roles. You win after every alive players' role has been changed.

Agentt, Reminds me of this role -

Spoiler: Sofanthiel (click to show/hide)

Recursion
Meta-->Convolution-->Flux-->Mimic-->Cascade-->Over-powered

Your goal is to maximise change. You win and leave the game when every living player has a different ability set than when they started. You can win while dead if this condition is met before or when the game ends. You can lose if the game ends with a Town or Mafia win before your goal is reached.

What counts as a "different ability set":
 A non-item ability has changed its effect or spheres
A non-item ability has gained or lost spheres
A non-item ability has been stolen
- A non-item ability has been gained (including copies of other player's abilities)

What doesn't count as "different ability set":
Shots are depleted or replenished from A limited-shot ability
- Items are gained, lost or changed (they're meant to be moved around)

[Auto](Overpowered)(Convolution) Reiteration: You have an additional action per turn for each different non-auto, non-item ability you have. (i.e. extra copies of the same ability don't count, even if they have new anonymised names)

[Auto] (Mimic)(Flux) Infinite Regress: While you are alive, once per night if a copying, mutating, or stealing ability would pick a random player, it picks you.

(Meta)(Mimic) Blueshift [blue sphere]: Every time a player uses a non-auto ability with this sphere this night, they will gain a copy of Strange Loop.

(Mimic)(Cascade) Strange Loop [target]: Target gains a copy of this ability and you gain an anonymised copy of one of their non-item, non-(mafiakill), non-auto abilities. If the target already had a copy of this ability, every pre-existing copy targets a random player. If anyone gains 10 copies of this, all their copies are destroyed.

[item] Red Chaos Emerald: This is a red chaos emerald and has no action attached.

Imp: I appreciate your faith greatly, but Fallacy is the Devil and is after my soul-(don't default on car loans in hell.) My role has two abilities, one of them kills me at the end of the next day, and the other sends a sixth of my soul irreversibly to the abyss.
Are you capable of interacting with an unremovable status?

Verm, I am still catching up, haven't read everything yet (reached like start of page 8?), and need to pause for a bit soon because family (been plenty of smaller interruptions too!)

But yeah, I don't exactly 'remove'.  So an unremovable status doesn't, umm, 'move' me either.  I fix problems, not exactly 'take them away'.  The quality of the fix... haha.  You may end up with a deep blue sea problem instead of a devil problem.  We'll see if my faith is pure enough, if you agree to allow me to try.

Thing is... I can't fix both at once.

How much is your soul worth to you?  Cause... I'd save your life before I save your soul.  But I have no idea what your soul not being sent to the abyss is worth to you, worth more than your life?  Cause I can't fix death at this time and don't know that I'll be able to ever.  I don't know what losing 1/6th of your soul means to you, to me it sounds like hot buttered toast and a non-calamity.

I need the full and exact name of the ability that will cause your death soon.  This may open you to other risks, I have no idea what anti-town can do with that info, what other interference may happen.

But I can sure twist the heck out of that ability if you choose to help me know the name, and I probably can 'fix' it.  Can absolutely try, for absolute sure.  And you're Verm - I'm motivated.

Imp: You're much better at reading people so what're your reads?

CrystalizedMire, I'm on page 8.  And heavily distracted.  I'll have reads at some point!

For now, the odds of Verm being pro-town are close to 100%, or Verm has changed his playstyle a lot.  Everyone else, I need more reading and think/feeling.