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Author Topic: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)  (Read 13247 times)

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #990 on: March 09, 2025, 11:11:16 pm »

@Imp:
That game where I made you a supercop was extremely stressful for me. I interacted with you heavily in that game because it was extremely important that I did so. You seem to have this Stockholm syndrome-like bonding moment about it, but I would personally not want to go through that again.

Toony.  All I can say is if you rip me out of my dream-making role that was exquisitely crafted by God for literally me and thrust me into a cop-body or do some equivalent that destroys my glorious role again in this current FBYOR... you may find there's reactions possibly less pleasant than Stockholm's Syndrome we can explore this time.

You made that happen last game.  If you make it happen again the flip are you doing?  You have the power to not put either of us through that stress and loss and grief!  I hope.  hugs beloved God-shaped-to-Imp role

@Imp:
Toastercultist has a lot of votes already I don't want a cop claim to get accidently hammered.

You'll have to come to your own interpretation about my "don't inspect me" claim (hint: I wasn't aware that I had been inspected, it's not what caused my ability to be Disabled). Just like Magma I like to fool around.

Yeah, like Web the supercop you hammered through swapping our bodies last FBYOR.  Hope you don't fool around with 'superdoc bodyswaps' this game.shudders
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #991 on: March 09, 2025, 11:15:17 pm »

Looking over Toony's posts, I'm realizing that this'll be a lot harder than I thought. I'll just read Toony's and maybe post a read for him now.
Do you not trust your inspect on Toony?
Yes, and sorry I meant TricMagic. Similar to this:
Spoiler: xkcd (click to show/hide)

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I can kinda get why you would 'assess Tric'.

You get a free and a not-free action.

Assess is a free action.  If you lie about having used it but you (or a scumbuddy) read it, you know you need to know the name of a hat someone had N1 and the total number of hats they had N1.

That's easy, for probably everyone it's 1 hat or 0, and hey, we all know the name of Tric's hat.
If you're honest and clueless, you didn't even read assess so you don't know it literally says:

(Free, Night) Assess [target]: Do they have... hats? Learn how many Hats the target has at the end of this Night, as well as the name of a random Hat among those.
So... you literally don't know and don't check (but somehow know you can use it!) to find out only and exactly what you and everyone already know about Tric and only Tric; he for sure has 1 hat N1 and it's Bloodstained Sunglasses (if that's even a hat.  If it isn't, nice guess, and I'm sorry.  We'll see what Tric says)

Hey, that makes loads of sense, potentially at least, either way.

So what you're saying is that I read Tric's hat in a way other than assess, and since it was convenient to say I assessed him as a reason to know what he has, that was why I claimed that action.
Also, we all know the name of Tric's hat? Stupid question, but what is the name? Reading back on this, do you think that the name of Tric's hat is "Bloodstained Sunglasses"? If not, what is the actual name of the hat?

But all D1 you were totally focused on either Jack or Mater, mostly Jack.  Pretty heavily Jack.  Even said as your last D1 post:

Think what you want about me, but I'm going to be really stubborn on the EuchreJack and Magma Mater issue.

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So, I figured some nebulous other, lesser players would vote me out because they wanted to win via HATLO rather than actually play forum mafia.
As a nebulous lesser player, I am not voting you because I want to win via HATLO, but because I want to vote out mafia in forum mafia.

Earlier you talked about the need to investigate... Hey.  These are your words...

Think what you want about me, but I'm going to be really stubborn on the EuchreJack and Magma Mater issue. It's one of the only actual pieces of evidence that we have on day 1, and the night game's complexity could be lessened if we got it over with and investigated Magma first thing instead of avoiding it till we have no choice.
As someone (I forgot who) said, this is a perfect excuse for the mafia to not get read, and the extra complexity with the bussing sounds like it was hastily added in to make it seem plausible.

So... you who apparently ignore Toony D1.  Now you're investigating Toony despite all the fuss you made about Jack and Mater D1?

You literally never mention Toony until you're back here apparently trying to save your own skin by making claims.

Now, hey.  If I could investigate and I was gonna, I might leave zero clue that I was gonna investigate my actual target.  I consider that pretty high level play.

If you're using high level play... you sure aren't showing it.

What the bleep is going on.

I had a change of mindset. I think it happened slowly, but it really revealed itself when I read this post:
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Now it's D2.  If you're alive then... and heck.  If you're only working that weak as town?  Anti-town probably do let you live.  Probably want you in endgame - or you are anti-town saying 'ahh, nice tunnel, I will push it and not strain my brain with stuff I don't care about.

But hey, it's D2.  And you... what?  Grab 1 other name out of the 'mass' and say 'haha, my new tunnel.  Let's drill here!  No need to look at anyone else'.  We rapidly run out of town, losing them night and day.  We rapidly lose.  I'm very against that.

So, if you're town.  Please try harder.  Pick out likely town, likely other antitown.  People you sus more and less.  I need your help if you're town.
So while I still sus EuchreJack, it was not on the top of my mind, and investigating him, I thought, would stop me from changing my playstyle. If I read him, there are two possibilities:
  • Innocent: People lose even more trust in me, meaning I won't be able to convince them about more developed suspicions.
  • Mafia: Most people won't believe me anyways, similar to the fable about the boy who cried wolf.

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #992 on: March 09, 2025, 11:18:45 pm »

You gather in an alleyway, share some entirely full boxes of pizza that some pizza place threw out, and tally your votes once again.

It's really not looking good, for anyone. Without unity, the eldritch god of Fire Drill will reign supreme.

At least you have plenty of time left -

Actually, the sun is two thirds of the way towards its resting place.

So maybe you don't.

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Magma Mater (2): TricMagic, TricMagic
TricMagic (0):
Crystalizedmire (2): Magma Mater, Jim Groovester
VermillionSkies (2): Krr1ss, notquitethere
notquitethere (1): toastercultist
Imp (0):
toastercultist (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (2): notquitethere, Agentt
ToonyMan (0):
Krr1ss (1): VermillionSkies
Agentt (0):

No Execution (0):

8 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (4): Imp, EuchreJack, Crystalizedmire, ToonyMan



Day 2 will end in approximately 23 hours, at 10 PM Central time - Monday, March 10th, 2025. Or on a hammer.

Beloved God, is this a valid vote, or has something happened that is strange?

Krr1ss
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #993 on: March 09, 2025, 11:20:57 pm »

Beloved God, is this a valid vote, or has something happened that is strange?

Krr1ss

I believe I missed that one. Thank you for pointing it out.

For future reference, it does help me if y'all bold red your votes for visibility.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #994 on: March 09, 2025, 11:23:46 pm »

And we are concluding that Toaster and Toony are town correct, or is anyone suspicious of their claims?

I don't put a lot of faith in action results in BYOR games. Have watched town get burned too many times.

I can definitely see why Jim is suspicious

Tell me what you see then.

I don't agree with it personally at all. Jim really isn't considering Kriss as a his own person here, feeling like they are pushing an ideal of like one perspective.

I don't understand this critique.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #995 on: March 09, 2025, 11:29:53 pm »

So what you're saying is that I read Tric's hat in a way other than assess, and since it was convenient to say I assessed him as a reason to know what he has, that was why I claimed that action.
Also, we all know the name of Tric's hat? Stupid question, but what is the name? Reading back on this, do you think that the name of Tric's hat is "Bloodstained Sunglasses"? If not, what is the actual name of the hat?

I dunno.  I remembered Bloodstained, but that's from this:

TricMagic looks around at the various serious and not-so-serious expressions of those at the restaurant table, then puts on a pair of bloodstained sunglasses.

Neat.



TricMagic possesses Bloody Sunglasses.

TricMagic gains 1 vote.

Required vote number to hammer is now 9.

The first thing said was Bloodstained.  That's how I remembered it, that's what I've been thinking of it as.  Granted, it's not part of any claim -I- am making.

That could be a hat.  Few hats are 'Bloody Sunglasses'.  I tend to think those are glasses and hats usually go higher on the head; that said glasses can sit atop the head in place of a hat.  If they're not a 'hat' but some other item, Tric'll say so.  If they are a 'hat', Tric'll say so.  Anyone who wants can assess Tric who LITERALLY SAID if assessed we'd see he has 0 hats - but then invited anyone to steal his hat which he's been burning charges from on purpose.  Does he have a hat?  I dunno.  If you assessed him, you do.  He also should know.

Again I presume but... heck.

If someone wanted to fakeclaim an assess, that's probably the one to claim.  You could be totally honest and just managing to land in 'wow, what a coincidence-land' of a 'that's the fakeable claim'.

I had a change of mindset. I think it happened slowly, but it really revealed itself when I read this post:
-snip-
Now it's D2.  If you're alive then... and heck.  If you're only working that weak as town?  Anti-town probably do let you live.  Probably want you in endgame - or you are anti-town saying 'ahh, nice tunnel, I will push it and not strain my brain with stuff I don't care about.

But hey, it's D2.  And you... what?  Grab 1 other name out of the 'mass' and say 'haha, my new tunnel.  Let's drill here!  No need to look at anyone else'.  We rapidly run out of town, losing them night and day.  We rapidly lose.  I'm very against that.

So, if you're town.  Please try harder.  Pick out likely town, likely other antitown.  People you sus more and less.  I need your help if you're town.
So while I still sus EuchreJack, it was not on the top of my mind, and investigating him, I thought, would stop me from changing my playstyle. If I read him, there are two possibilities:
  • Innocent: People lose even more trust in me, meaning I won't be able to convince them about more developed suspicions.
  • Mafia: Most people won't believe me anyways, similar to the fable about the boy who cried wolf.

So, you picked Toony... randomly or why?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #996 on: March 09, 2025, 11:56:40 pm »

@Toastercult:
If you got a Mafia result on Jack I absolutely would believe it.

@Tric:
Are your sunglasses a hat? Do they count as a hat? What are they called? Bloodstained? Bloody?

@Imp:
It's true that Toaster's actions would be easy to fake here. I'm not sure if they're faking though. Cat was a doctor and a cop combined so we do seem to have powerful roles.
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« Reply #997 on: Today at 12:07:51 am »

Gun to my head if there's three mafia it's Crystal, Jack, and Tric as the team. I think Magma was saying Crystal/Jack/Jim but I'm not seeing Jim as mafia here. I feel strongly there's a bad guy between Tric and NQT but I can't tell who. Jim reads both as town but that doesn't feel right to me.

I think Crystal being mafia is odd with the Sal kill though, unless they're actually the ones that killed Sal. Their redirect claim of Imp to Sal seems risky though because if anybody had targeted Imp we would realize their action was false. Crystal has already said that their action failed or something but...

It's shady, I find Crystal suspicious I think. NQT gives me the same off feeling. Interestingly I don't think Tric feels the same as the other two, maybe because blatantly saying they forgot to action is so obviously suspicious.

Toaster could be making these claims to save their skin for a day too I guess. NQT is correct that voting a cop claim at this point doesn't feel right though.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #998 on: Today at 12:21:03 am »

@Imp:
It's true that Toaster's actions would be easy to fake here. I'm not sure if they're faking though. Cat was a doctor and a cop combined so we do seem to have powerful roles.

Yep.  I never asked a cop to claim cop.  I even expressly said:

Well, I said I was willing to skim over the entire game and think about my stances, so sure, I'll try to write down my thoughts about each person.



I'll kill two birds with one stone here and actually put effort into reads then.

Toaster:

Cool!

One more thing I wanna ask you to put serious thought into.

At night, most of us can do actions.  It's actually really rare, but sometimes happens, that someone doesn't (or can't) do at least 1 night action.  Rarely some of us can do a day action (it's more common than being unable to night action).

Many of us on Day 2 have made a claim about what we did N1.  This does not have to be true or complete.  Because you are new, I highly recommend you do not lie about your night actions, however, 'Not ready to say yet' and 'nothing to report' are commonly accepted for when you don't wanna say yet or at all this day.

Generally, it's best to have some kinda pro-town reason why you don't report what you did, but that can be kinda advanced to figure out what good reasons not to report are.  It can look really scummy too, it nearly got me as town dead the last game I played because I refused to report or discuss what I did that game even when other players caught me doing it and revealed stuff about me to the rest of the game.

Generally, town tells the truth and anti-town lies.  But there are townie lies and scummy truths and all in-between.

However, someone killed Sal (who is now confirmed town, but dead) and nobody's claimed it yet, so probably done by anti-town.  There's a few other puzzles too, I haven't sorted out all the claims yet but I'm weaving them into a story for us all to easily see.

So far, I see no claims from you at all, so do think about if you wanna make any.

For example, this is my summarized claims for N1:

Imp:  Thinks Sal visited N1, leaving stories detailed in reply #551.  Successful blender of Verm's 'negotiations'.  Gained status 'Thread Alpha' (from Sal's once ability?  From somewhere else?), spread it to Verm.

If you know anything about that Thread Alpha status especially, love to hear about that or anything else you choose to claim, thanks!

I tried to explain how to vaguely claim and gave examples and choices as best I could think to.

But hey, we have this claim.  It is what it is.  I don't think my questions help maf further.  But they help at least me accept that this is a cop and not some maf or SK (the flip is this Thread Alpha, sure hope a 'gift' from Showoff Sal) who may need just a little more time to destroy us all and made up a beautiful story - I hope to Fallacy without your help as a partner.

It could be 100% true, 100% false - heck if it's hiding something even more 'don't reveal omg please' I have no idea.

I never expect to be alive the next day.  I do what I do today or never, if it's better for my wincon to do today.

That said, Toaster, yes.  You've claimed one of the more important roles in the game.  Everyone in the game is highly interested in you, especially if you're honest.  People who can protect you in some way are likely to try very hard to, anti-town are likely to try very hard to unprotect you in the most lethal or limiting ways they can.

Me now, I want to hear you.  Your claim's also, if you're honest (and pro-town, but that kinda goes without saying, to my thinking - but there's no reason why there can't be an anti-town cop especially if there's multiple anti-town out there to fight and find each other), an excellent reason for you to be kinda vague about your reads, or at least who you intend to inspect.

Make everyone think you're gonna inspect person A or B then inspect person C?  Darn good play, especially if you (or others) genuinely sus person C and we don't have an urgent need to figure out A or B.

On the other hand, if you're anti-town you've also potentially made nearly the perfect 'I can claim this and hide!' targets, especially for your assess claim and especially if Toony is actually teamed with you - but even not.  He's a delighted anti-town who just got town read by a cop claim (that usually helps) or a true-town who just got town-read and knows it's true.

And I'd leave you the heck alone but... this chat probably doesn't hurt you worse.  And if you're anti-town trying this, maybe with a partner's advice (partner could be Toony or someone else giving solid advice) it might work and I'm scared so I'm talking now when I still can.

So.  Anyway, play as you please.  Expect help and advice from folks, in the form of reads suggesting who THEY think are scummy.  As you saw, literally everyone unvoted you.  People who sus you don't want you dead, and we all see how it goes from here.  If you're anti-town pulling a hail-mary play, I hope we stop you and all other anti-town in time.

But with that kinda claim?  You probably don't even need to do reads and get to be vague, we want you catching anti-town, not tipping them off so they can do whatever they can to try and prepare.  You can also mislead - all we care about is are you town.  If you are, you literally have free reign, play as you please and we all try to keep you alive and make everything work.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #999 on: Today at 12:28:01 am »

Their redirect claim of Imp to Sal seems risky though because if anybody had targeted Imp we would realize their action was false.

I gained the thread.  I had what I believe matches what a visit from Sal would be like.  Thread came from Sal, who visited me, or from someone else who visited me - either way I am quite sure Sal visited me.

Anyone else get flavor that makes it seem like a cloaked and no-form figure visited them?  Theme of stories and perhaps more?  I don't know that Sal visited only me, but if that wasn't Sal, I am really confused. It really fits the flip.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1000 on: Today at 12:37:11 am »

ToonyMan, can you give me the 120 second rundown on why NQT and TricMagic are suspect to you?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1001 on: Today at 01:27:38 am »

Gun to my head if there's three mafia it's Crystal, Jack, and Tric as the team. I think Magma was saying Crystal/Jack/Jim but I'm not seeing Jim as mafia here. I feel strongly there's a bad guy between Tric and NQT but I can't tell who. Jim reads both as town but that doesn't feel right to me.

I think Crystal being mafia is odd with the Sal kill though, unless they're actually the ones that killed Sal. Their redirect claim of Imp to Sal seems risky though because if anybody had targeted Imp we would realize their action was false. Crystal has already said that their action failed or something but...
If Crystalizedmire is mafia then she probably did target those people.

1) Targets Canadian kitten with Graverob (free).
2) Targets Imp with role ability.
3) Targets Salvatore Monday with mafiakill.

No?
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