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[Krr1ss]

Unfortunately I still can't make cases and think straight as I just returned home and it's time for sleep but for now, I'm still on Toony, Urist, and Jim. I get Imp's unwillingness to consider my play good and I admit that I'm a newbie that often makes mistakes and quite probably does right now, but I'm not moving my vote for now. Considering Urist's overwhelming presence as town and plays I had seen him do, this whole claim fiasco and reasons behind it are somewhat dubious to me to say the least. Toony did nothing to improve his impression too.

Which makes me wonder now that I'm typing this, Jim's impression improved in my mind, am I crazy for finding that suspicious?

[notquitethere]

Except when he's speaking with me specifically, I actually like all of Tric's catch up posts. Consider his stock rising.

I'm an easy player to please, you just have to do stuff.


Coaster

You did claim that passivity was a common scum trait, but you're making it seem like that was the only thing you claimed. Claiming that we should suspect the people not voting is okay, but claiming we need to eliminate one person from that group seems extreme, doesn't it?

Drawing from the pool of players who least tried to eliminate scum on D1 doesn't seem extreme to me!

I almost immediately had suspicions for EuchreJack and defended my points. You can't simply look at the final (votes were reset) counter, see I didn't vote, and generalize that I was playing passively the entire time.

Did you change your mind about Euchrejack?

Are you even.. taking this game seriously?? If that's your main criterion for suspicion, then why not, NQT.

My whole argument is about you not using your vote. You apparently suspect me (I don't believe it) enough to put my name in blue, why not in red? It's not like you were using your vote. More passivity.

I'm being quite serious! My "main criterion for suspicion" is "does the player actually have suspicions of their own". So far you're not filling me with much confidence. If you are town (and I'm open to the possibility) then go and read the game and give your honest opinions. Maybe see whether your thoughts on Euchrejack should be updated or not.

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I find it strange that your post has a "thumbs down" icon. That's funny.

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You can set the message icon if you want, almost no one ever does

[Krr1ss]

To note, town is very divided right now and there's almost no consensus being reached. There's no point if we all vote randomly and no real pressure appears. Scum will and can easily keep the thread as is.

I think that town should unite to some degree, even if that's by giving up your first few scum reads for the sake of majority being reached. I'm not afraid of ML, I'm afraid of no info flips. I'm afraid of there being no narrative to look at and understand.

Unless we work together, we'll lose, and I feel like the thread is devolving into a state of everyone working for themselves. If it comes down to it, I'll sheep others votes, as long as I find them town enough (Imp probably as she's my most town read despite our suspects being polar opposite)

[TricMagic]

Imp, N1 was 48 hours, but how much of that was Fallacy processing actions?

It seems we have a bit of a conundrum then in light of Magma Mater's revised claim, as pointed out by ToonyMan.

It's really unlikely that the Street Fighter thing is related to your hat being stolen. I also received the Street Fighter video and didn't lose my hat. Not saying that Jim didn't take another action to mug you... because of course that is still possible.

I took Magma Matter's hat.

Additionally, both Agentt and I claimed targeting Magma Mater and also claimed receiving the Usurped status, which EuchreJack has not claimed.

What are the chances I got jailed tonight? I am starting to realize that that may make the most sense. My action returned failure and now that I think about it, it would return something else if Verm targeted no one.

Maybe that also explains others "not doing any actions". Maybe they did it on me?

Check the rules. I forget but there are a few ways your action can fail and depending on how you might be informed the way you were.

Imp do not appreciate the lack of fact checking.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=183056.msg8573320#msg8573320 End of Day 10:30 PM for me
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=183056.msg8573396#msg8573396 Night Processing: 11-ish PM

25 Hours. So yes I did go to bed expecting more time when no one responded. I responded at 12 noon, and the next post was 8 in the morning. My post specifically. Doublechecking my in game screenshots I believe I took the day off after beating the main story of monster Hunter Wilds.

... Thursday is Gym, so. Went around 2:30, came back at 4 to shower, and spent the day playing minecraft in a fresh server and getting frustrated at my new laptops lack of good pad. Really need a proper desk setup for that, combat remains an issue. Can mention the bay12 discord and Superdorf getting a new place setup for that.

OP also mentions them lasting 24 Hours. Being honest I didn't bother to read the fine details which is another reason I got tripped up. It's usually 48.

[VermilionSkies]

hey, hello, I'm here
Apologies for the delay in posting, I got a little crushed underneath a falling couch

I didn't perform any actions last night, free or otherwise, because I didn't want to risk Imp's randomizer turning my ability into an Auto that did something... bad.
On the bright side, it turned my Negotiations into a very useful night ability that doesn't cost Escalator, so that's good. It's simultaneously multiple-person Watch and Hat-thievery denial, at the cost of only affecting the Theatre.
I gained Thread Alpha, and did not gain or lose any hats.

I never agreed to hunt Magma in the nightchat, I just agreed that they were a possible suspect and didn't townread them.

I think Tric is fairly towny, considering their play last night and today.
Despite having spent a night chatting with Agent, I still don't have a better read on them, which is either a crippling skill issue or vaguely scummy (likely the former.)
Imp feels pushy enough to be towny this game? They sat back a little more during MVM4.
Kriss, I'm not sure why you believe I owed you an action, especially when the cost of that action could be used for so many other things, like notably - not dying.
NQT could be town scumhunting, or could be scum trying to form a bandwagon before town can gather themselves.
Magma's gambit was kind of scuffed, but also I cannot be mad at people for town-lying.
I dislike Toony's takes, but they're already under suspicion and I can move my vote later if necessary.
Jim going for hat things is unsurprising.

Also, votes on me appeared and then vanished into the ether while I was still occupied, so that's cool I guess.
I leave my computer open a lot, my 'active' status is incredibly unreliable. I've been trying to get better at it.

[Krr1ss]

hey, hello, I'm here
Apologies for the delay in posting, I got a little crushed underneath a falling couch

I didn't perform any actions last night, free or otherwise, because I didn't want to risk Imp's randomizer turning my ability into an Auto that did something... bad.
On the bright side, it turned my Negotiations into a very useful night ability that doesn't cost Escalator, so that's good. It's simultaneously multiple-person Watch and Hat-thievery denial, at the cost of only affecting the Theatre.
I gained Thread Alpha, and did not gain or lose any hats.

I never agreed to hunt Magma in the nightchat, I just agreed that they were a possible suspect and didn't townread them.

I think Tric is fairly towny, considering their play last night and today.
Despite having spent a night chatting with Agent, I still don't have a better read on them, which is either a crippling skill issue or vaguely scummy (likely the former.)
Imp feels pushy enough to be towny this game? They sat back a little more during MVM4.
Kriss, I'm not sure why you believe I owed you an action, especially when the cost of that action could be used for so many other things, like notably - not dying.
NQT could be town scumhunting, or could be scum trying to form a bandwagon before town can gather themselves.
Magma's gambit was kind of scuffed, but also I cannot be mad at people for town-lying.
I dislike Toony's takes, but they're already under suspicion and I can move my vote later if necessary.
Jim going for hat things is unsurprising.

Also, votes on me appeared and then vanished into the ether while I was still occupied, so that's cool I guess.
I leave my computer open a lot, my 'active' status is incredibly unreliable. I've been trying to get better at it.

Why am I your top suspect?

[TricMagic]

Aha, right!  Thanks - thinking about that we did have only 24 hours to submit actions.  I gave mine right after day ended, but I already knew what I intended to do, I'd planned it with Verm in the thread.

I still want the rest of my answers from Tric.  I do think it's weird to have a plan and plan with others and then not submit.  Sure it 'could happen', seems weird and wrong to me for someone who intends to do stuff and who, per Agentt, made plans with 2 others about what everyone was doing.  I guess nobody discussed inside Theatrechat about when to submit actions either.  Right, Verm, Agentt, Tric?

On this I had the idea to Mug Circle so put it forward. That's the 20 hours of dead silence that happened. Another 4 hours Verm mentions the night is almost over. That message in the morning was me wondering if I'm the only town left in there and seeing that Fallacy had ended the night submissions. Still attempted to put one in but too late for that.

[VermilionSkies]

Kriss: Because I'd like an answer to the question I asked, as it doesn't make sense to me.
I was assuming it was Imp, but on further thought, you're probably the one who gave me the Thread of Fate, which... is not a status that fills me with confidence.
Tric: Yeah, already discussed this during the night, but I didn't speak much both because I was already committed to doing nothing, and because my trust for the chat was limited. I trust you more this coming night, but I'm still dubious of Agent.

[TricMagic]

Makes sense but again, this reasoning is far from enough for me to change my mind. I'd much rather solve Toony, Urist, and Jim as I'm pretty convinced there's at least one anti town there.

You are free to create a case and convince me, presenting this as one of your points but I for sure am not going to vote out someone just for not voting day1

Speaking of, Trik, Agentt, Verm what was your night chat about? I'd love details. Also glad we solved early on whether it was an ability

As noted, started with my putting my hat out there and revealing all of my role in hopes of working together. Just YOLO trust and see what the response was.

... It wasn't lukewarm. Agentt offered a good bit more than Skies, but Skies had the perfectly logical reasoning of thinking I might be scum. Which would probably have required me fakeclaiming an entire role based around something in the OP.

While I too would like to solve Toony, you'd need Agentt and Skies to agree to skip the whole Magma thing. But A: 1 of the people on the final vote, as was toony.

And B to Magma: Not particularly helpful to town if you selfishly hoard. You weren't making yourself a target by hiding, Magma, you were doing the opposite. This very argument is what would allow Scum:Tric to get you voted out, and I'd have already placed my votes on you if that were the case. As is I decided to catch up first. Well, after immediately firing off the hat ability to make it 0-shot.

I'm confused, why would you vote me out and how did I hide Urist?

More spewing thought and forgetting to split it to who I was talking to.

[Krr1ss]

Kriss: Because I'd like an answer to the question I asked, as it doesn't make sense to me.
I was assuming it was Imp, but on further thought, you're probably the one who gave me the Thread of Fate, which... is not a status that fills me with confidence.
Tric: Yeah, already discussed this during the night, but I didn't speak much both because I was already committed to doing nothing, and because my trust for the chat was limited. I trust you more this coming night, but I'm still dubious of Agent.

I didn't give you whatever that fate thing is although it does make me curious now. I knew that you had an action of sort, probably investigative iirc, and I wanted to see if you'd and who you'd investigate. Assuming it only loses you a sixth of a soul, from what I remember, that means that you could do action for 5 nights in a row. Ngl, if we go by 2 deaths per day, that's pretty much over for the game. Which is why I thought that there's no sense not to use it and I got a bit annoyed at wasting an action

[TricMagic]

Tab Magic failed. This should have been before the post.

Imp

I recommend play to your wincon.

Yeah, obviously. But I was asking you with the possibility that we have the same town wincon. Imagine you are me and town, and you were told your ability failed. Do you think it would be a bad idea or a good idea to claim who you targeted at night or not? You had strong opinions about claims in the last game, but I'm seeing how you feel about this situation now in this game.

Tric

This feels like a supremely bad take. You're elminating from the players who failed to vote out replacement town? You might as well put me on that list too, and yourself.

I literally pointed out a whole bunch of games where scum failed to vote end of day, and you just breezed past that argument.

These four players failed to cast a vote at all by end of day. There was enough time, those four players could have picked someone to vote for and they didn't. That potentially tells us something about them. It gives us reason to dig in deeper.

Why in the world do you have two votes? Is it to specifically vote out toastercultist?

Having an extra vote is a very normal FBYOR town role. I don't think you're this dense. What's really going on with you?

Was some long worded thing, but short version is I can destroy hats at night, but I can't stop you from winning if you control the vote and have the hats needed to stall. It's just game over. It's a win con everyone has access to.

[TricMagic]

NQT that I did. Breeze right past it. Doublevoting on it's own isn't indicative of alignment.
Painful thing is, you're not the most suspicious to me right now. That's Toony. Maybe Kr1ss.

It's 6 votes on him. Also, would be funny if you jumped on the wagon. Wanna? Don't worry, under normal circumstances, he won't be hammered

That's twice now I've said something and you've interpreted it the opposite of what I said.

I take that as personally hostile.  You may feel it's funny.  I find it deeply offensive.

I say, "I don't want cake, I'll take [whatever else]" - you say, "Hey, have some cake, I'm sure you'll like it."

I feel violent towards you.  It's a trigger.  It makes sense to me to go aggro towards you in multiple ways.  You might not want to play with that, presuming you're doing it for fun, because I am likely to chew on you until I find where you hurt, and then I act really nasty in personal to you ways.

This is separate from power games - where's your power and clear self control?  To me -this- is just 'jerk'.

This may seem odd, but to note something Agent said last night: You've played games with them before and they noted you were aggressive in removing inactives and giving homework. To Agentt, was Imp town in that game? Cause that post I responded to recently is quite literally the same town Imp I know.

As for why I quoted you talking to Kr1ss, it's cause Kr1ss should read this too.

There's a game that ended before even full 48h day passed due to incidents. Agentt was town player, Imp was scum, and I was host. Her enthusiasm and "pro-town" mindset was certainly highest in the playerbase. She urged people to participate and also gave homework while trying to stay as kind as possible. Each post that she considered (like threatening to vote them out for not participating) she carefully asked us hosts for the opinion and whether it was fair. Behavior and enthusiasm wise, she was the most town person and the most excited person. In fact, she single handedly made us hosts cheer for scum team.

Anyway, the point is, she has pro-town mindset even as scum and inactives and people unwilling to give good participation were certainly called out by her. If that's the question you have.

This is... Honestly pretty normal for scum Imp. To her detriment if she's solo-scum.

[Crystalizedmire]

Sorry, I've been sort of inactive lately due to being tired.

Kriss, I'm not sure why you believe I owed you an action, especially when the cost of that action could be used for so many other things, like notably - not dying.

I skimmed through the thread but I don't think Krr1ss mentioned anything about you owing an action to them?
Ninja: I've been barely paying attention to the thread due to tiredness but why do you think it was Krr1ss who gave you Thread of Fate?

So NQT, could you elaborate on your suspicions and give more reasons other than a cautious attitude?

FOSing me when you could be voting me. Another red flag! I took a look back to see what you did after I voted you on D1, and so far you've done nothing. If you start to do things I may very well update my opinion.

Are you even.. taking this game seriously?? If that's your main criterion for suspicion, then why not, NQT.

Do you genuinely believe that NQT is scum or are you voting them because you disagree with them?

[Imp]

hey, hello, I'm here
Apologies for the delay in posting, I got a little crushed underneath a falling couch

I didn't perform any actions last night, free or otherwise, because I didn't want to risk Imp's randomizer turning my ability into an Auto that did something... bad.
On the bright side, it turned my Negotiations into a very useful night ability that doesn't cost Escalator, so that's good. It's simultaneously multiple-person Watch and Hat-thievery denial, at the cost of only affecting the Theatre.
I gained Thread Alpha, and did not gain or lose any hats.

I never agreed to hunt Magma in the nightchat, I just agreed that they were a possible suspect and didn't townread them.

I think Tric is fairly towny, considering their play last night and today.
Despite having spent a night chatting with Agent, I still don't have a better read on them, which is either a crippling skill issue or vaguely scummy (likely the former.)
Imp feels pushy enough to be towny this game? They sat back a little more during MVM4.
Kriss, I'm not sure why you believe I owed you an action, especially when the cost of that action could be used for so many other things, like notably - not dying.
NQT could be town scumhunting, or could be scum trying to form a bandwagon before town can gather themselves.
Magma's gambit was kind of scuffed, but also I cannot be mad at people for town-lying.
I dislike Toony's takes, but they're already under suspicion and I can move my vote later if necessary.
Jim going for hat things is unsurprising.

Also, votes on me appeared and then vanished into the ether while I was still occupied, so that's cool I guess.
I leave my computer open a lot, my 'active' status is incredibly unreliable. I've been trying to get better at it.

I think this is a solid pro-town Verm post.  Unvote.  Note. I am not saying this is a townie post (it's fine in general, but some folks make post like this as anti-town), and I am not saying that anyone who made this post must be town.  However, I do say that the Verm making this and the other posts Verm's made this game that I've seen - extremely likely to be pro-town Verm making these posts and I'm going to be thrilled and floored when Verm overcomes and successfully fakes the differences I see that trigger my town/anti-town assessment of Verm.  I'm also okay with Tric for now, he's talking and making sense and I'm not ready to vote at this time - as usual I vote when I want something my vote can move towards - someone's behavior change or elim.

Glad you survived your couch misadventure, Verm.  I hope you heal fully and soon.

Kriss: Because I'd like an answer to the question I asked, as it doesn't make sense to me.
I was assuming it was Imp, but on further thought, you're probably the one who gave me the Thread of Fate, which... is not a status that fills me with confidence.

The thread you have definitely came from me - you could have gained it from others too.  You would have spread it further N1, the same night we got it, if you had targeted anyone who had the key traits it describes.

I gained it N1.  I don't know where it came from.  Nobody's claimed it yet, you're the first to mention it specifically and it's what I said I was waiting on claims about.  Presumably someone forced me to have it and since I targeted you, forced me to give it to you.

Anyone else get a 'thread alpha' status type thing?  Anyone willing to explain that they caused it and what it is?

It has possible hallmarks of coming from an SK, it could be related to some slow-burn kill effect.  FoU used a similar but nastier status ailment for town-SK-convertable Tric last FBYOR6.  This is not clearly an ailment, and it could theoretically have spread through every single living player in the game last night.

It has a happier possible source:  Sal.

Once, during a single Night of the game, you may describe the actions you take during the Night. The more absurd your description, the less likely they are to succeed, but even so, there shall be a chance. The moderator reserves the right to refuse to answer questions about this ability.

It is possible Sal described something that caused and created this status I gained and passed to Verm.  I don't see anything that controls it, does more about it, or explains what it was intended to do.

I don't know that it came from Sal.

If anyone gains it N2+, I think it's clear it didn't come from Sal (or Sal caused someone else to be able to generate them if it did come from Sal; that person's not me).

If nobody claims it today, and it didn't come from Sal I consider it extremely likely to be hostile, but it's also clearly super powerful.  It literally could have spread between all 14 living players N1, all it needed was the target to have the qualifier to receive it.  Verm deciding not to act N1 means it stopped there.

So.  Anyone else want to talk about this status thread alpha thing?

[Krr1ss]

Sorry, I've been sort of inactive lately due to being tired.

Kriss, I'm not sure why you believe I owed you an action, especially when the cost of that action could be used for so many other things, like notably - not dying.

I skimmed through the thread but I don't think Krr1ss mentioned anything about you owing an action to them?
Ninja: I've been barely paying attention to the thread due to tiredness but why do you think it was Krr1ss who gave you Thread of Fate?

So NQT, could you elaborate on your suspicions and give more reasons other than a cautious attitude?

FOSing me when you could be voting me. Another red flag! I took a look back to see what you did after I voted you on D1, and so far you've done nothing. If you start to do things I may very well update my opinion.

Are you even.. taking this game seriously?? If that's your main criterion for suspicion, then why not, NQT.

Do you genuinely believe that NQT is scum or are you voting them because you disagree with them?

This post made me second guess towning Crystal. I'm tired, I'll just stop thinking. Night