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Author Topic: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)  (Read 15231 times)

Magma Mater

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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1140 on: Today at 02:58:33 pm »

Gun to my head if there's three mafia it's Crystal, Jack, and Tric as the team. I think Magma was saying Crystal/Jack/Jim but I'm not seeing Jim as mafia here. I feel strongly there's a bad guy between Tric and NQT but I can't tell who. Jim reads both as town but that doesn't feel right to me.

I think Crystal being mafia is odd with the Sal kill though, unless they're actually the ones that killed Sal. Their redirect claim of Imp to Sal seems risky though because if anybody had targeted Imp we would realize their action was false. Crystal has already said that their action failed or something but...
If Crystalizedmire is mafia then she probably did target those people.

1) Targets Canadian kitten with Graverob (free).
2) Targets Imp with role ability.
3) Targets Salvatore Monday with mafiakill.

No?
Even if all the actions were free actions, this would still be impossible. At maximum, a player can only use 2 actions due to how free actions work. I'm not sure how you got this idea from that I could've targeted all three players with different actions.

Question for you, were you told that your graverob ability failed? Or just the redirect?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1141 on: Today at 02:59:03 pm »

Gun to my head if there's three mafia it's Crystal, Jack, and Tric as the team. I think Magma was saying Crystal/Jack/Jim but I'm not seeing Jim as mafia here. I feel strongly there's a bad guy between Tric and NQT but I can't tell who. Jim reads both as town but that doesn't feel right to me.

I think Crystal being mafia is odd with the Sal kill though, unless they're actually the ones that killed Sal. Their redirect claim of Imp to Sal seems risky though because if anybody had targeted Imp we would realize their action was false. Crystal has already said that their action failed or something but...
If Crystalizedmire is mafia then she probably did target those people.

1) Targets Canadian kitten with Graverob (free).
2) Targets Imp with role ability.
3) Targets Salvatore Monday with mafiakill.

No?
Even if all the actions were free actions, this would still be impossible. At maximum, a player can only use 2 actions due to how free actions work. I'm not sure how you got this idea from that I could've targeted all three players with different actions.

Question for you, were you told that your graverob ability failed? Or just the redirect?
I was roleblocked so yes I was told.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1142 on: Today at 02:59:40 pm »

Weird, I tried robbing Cat but it was empty already.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1143 on: Today at 03:03:42 pm »

Weird, I tried robbing Cat but it was empty already.
Someone else must've gotten it because I'm hatless.

I only skimmed through the thread so do we know who Toony supposedly assessed?
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1144 on: Today at 03:08:31 pm »

Weird, I tried robbing Cat but it was empty already.
Someone else must've gotten it because I'm hatless.

I only skimmed through the thread so do we know who Toony supposedly assessed?

From what I figured, Toony was declared "Innocent" by Toaster. I have no idea about Toony's free actions.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1145 on: Today at 03:10:41 pm »

Weird, I tried robbing Cat but it was empty already.
Someone else must've gotten it because I'm hatless.

I only skimmed through the thread so do we know who Toony supposedly assessed?

From what I figured, Toony was declared "Innocent" by Toaster. I have no idea about Toony's free actions.
I was talking about Toony's early claim that he found a hatless player.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1146 on: Today at 03:19:00 pm »

Imp: Serial killers need everyone dead right? That's not gonna happen in just 2 nights. Trust me, just unvote me for today. Tomorrow, feel free to after the flips.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1147 on: Today at 03:19:45 pm »

Imp: Serial killers need everyone dead right? That's not gonna happen in just 2 nights. Trust me, just unvote me for today. Tomorrow, feel free to after the flips.
I am not gonna bother with Crystal since they are probably scum self preserving so they probably wouldn't even bother changing votes
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1148 on: Today at 03:33:44 pm »

Imp: Serial killers need everyone dead right? That's not gonna happen in just 2 nights. Trust me, just unvote me for today. Tomorrow, feel free to after the flips.
I am not gonna bother with Crystal since they are probably scum self preserving so they probably wouldn't even bother changing votes
You're literally pleading for mercy so don't try to accuse me of being scum self preserving. Look, I'm not going to eliminate someone who might be scum over someone who is almost certaintly a serial killer just because town would get much more information from flipping the first person especially if it is not day 1.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1149 on: Today at 03:38:14 pm »

Imp: Serial killers need everyone dead right? That's not gonna happen in just 2 nights. Trust me, just unvote me for today. Tomorrow, feel free to after the flips.
I am not gonna bother with Crystal since they are probably scum self preserving so they probably wouldn't even bother changing votes
You're literally pleading for mercy so don't try to accuse me of being scum self preserving. Look, I'm not going to eliminate someone who might be scum over someone who is almost certaintly a serial killer just because town would get much more information from flipping the first person especially if it is not day 1.
I am saying this with all my heart: If you are town-ally, I am so disappointed in you.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1150 on: Today at 03:38:40 pm »

Crystal this very much feels like an attack of opportunity. Serial Killers need mafia dead too.
Krr1ss easiest way out is to just not use the threads if you're town.
Imp they didn't need to reveal they were theirs today when you thought they were Sal's.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1151 on: Today at 03:40:04 pm »

... Crystal VermillionSkies actually. Verm I am quite disappointed you've done nothing today other than want Imp to fix you.
No NQT this isn't a team guess, just intent.
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1152 on: Today at 03:41:04 pm »

Imp they didn't need to reveal they were theirs today when you thought they were Sal's.

Oh, I explained in great detail what more threads appearing later would likely mean.  Krr1ss is in full self pres mode.  And I do not think it is town at all.
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Non-Voters - A Retrospective
« Reply #1153 on: Today at 03:42:03 pm »

Non-Voters  - A Retrospective

Day One ended with five players not voting. One of them was Canadian Kitten who was eliminated. The other four are all still alive.

At the start of Day 1, I said I wanted to eliminate from this pool. Quite often I'll get to the end of a mafia game and see that I was right about something and then talked myself out of it, and on reflection this is probably one of these times. I think it's more likely than not Vermillion Skies, toastercultist, Jim Groovester, or Agentt are scum. Perhaps more than one of them. While anyone can play passively, scum are the most likely to do so for reasons I've rehashed loads of times before.

So I'd like to eliminate from this pool. But who? Let's see our suspects:

Vermilion Skies

Got off on D1 with a bang, with a lot of claims around a role that sells his soul. On D2, arrives late on with some reads and a claim to have got "Thread Alpha" (which we now know was given by Kris). He votes Kris for pressure over action. What does Thread Alpha do?

CM: Thread of Fate is a Status that gives itself to anyone I visit on the same turn I gained the status - so it would also give itself to whoever they visit, and so on. It'd make sense if Agent was the one who inflicted it, especially since they were upset with me not taking an action. They say that they didn't, though, so who knows.

So now anyone will know if tonight VS targets them, but as it's just a status it wouldn't show up in roleflip. Still, that seems like a very useful pro-town ability and I'm not sure why Kris doesn't see it this way.

Later Vermilion has some discussion with Imp about improving his ability, and also defends the Kris vote some more (like here). And that's it.

(Addendum: see the Agentt section below to learn how Vermilion also fails to enact the night plan agreed upon in the theatre chat. Have any of the theatre people acknowledged this?)

Summary: "Wake up late, tunnel Kris".



toastercultist

Notably, the player who Salvatore was voting end of D1. Arrives late and starts arguing with me because I said his play was passive on D1. He eventually votes me over this and that's where the vote has been all day. Promises a couple of times to come back with some actual reads.

Eventually feels under pressure as votes climb up and claims to have inspected Tric's glasses (free) and investigated Toony as "innocent". Eventually delivers some reads on Kris (null) and Magma (townish). And that's it! Doesn't change the vote, or consider ISOing the person he says he has suspicions on (me). Basically, as the heat died down after the cop claim he could afford to go back to not doing much.

Summary: "OMGUS, cop claim, and chill"



Jim

Comments on the kill. Claims to have been Usurped (and so presumably not on a team with Magma). Votes Vermilion for legit reason of not doing anything. Claims to have stolen Crystal's hat and sent both CM and Magma a message. Comments on a few different bun fights. Has very real concerns about Magma's weird lies.

Magma claimed to not have his hat stolen but EJ stole it... but then Magma flips around again and claims to have lied about not losing it. This seems like a senseless and non-strategic use of lying, as the first lie was to say that the Streetfighter video couldn't be to do with losing a hat because he didn't lose his hat... but he did lose it. Why would you just spread misinformation with no gain like that? What's really going on there? Magma says it was to bait hat tyrants, which is possibly believable, if poorly considered, but very weak.

Jim follows up on this feeling, noting it's weird that EJ doesn't think it's weird. Has a lot of well considered reads. Eventually settling on Crystal who he thinks has settled back into her lurker meta. Good range of suspicions for D2. I think this is a town player.

Summary: "Just one more thing..."



Agentt

Jumps into the day with a vote on Magma apparently mandated by the theatre chat. We learn that Tric was making demands in the private chat. Shares a belief that scum were voting on the Salvatore wagon (Zenon's Law). The theatre club (Tric, Agentt, Vermilion) apparently enacted a hat swapping scheme but it failed. Vermilion had no hat and Agentt's hat wasn't stolen by Tric (consistent with his claim to have forgotten to submit an action), and Vermilion didn't manage to steal from Tric: Tric still has his sunglasses (he used them again today). So there is no evidence any part of this plan was successful.

Later comes back to the thread to vote Jim for how Jim was talking about Kris. Pretty abstract. We haven't really got any clue what Agentt really thinks about the goings on, and Agentt has achieved nothing of note today.

Summary: "Lurk a bit and defend Kris"



So that was worthwhile. I now have a better sense of four of the players.

- Jim is a good. Quality over quantity.
- toastercultist has done almost nothing except OMGUS me and give some reads on two unrelated player. The cop claim is a reason to keep alive for at least one more cycle
- Vermilion has scum hunted exactly one person to day. It's not much but it's something when the bar is this low. The Alpha ability should mean we'll be able to track hostile (non kill) actions.
- The best you can say about Agentt today is that two votes were made which is more active than a lot of players. But that's that.

Vermilion and Magma can both have their actions confirmed to some degree: them living another night promises to be informative one way or the other. Same is not true for Agentt, Agentt who has slunk back into the background.



To answer Tric's Pick Three question, it's:

Vermilion
Agentt
Euchrejack (who has done next to nothing today as well)
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Re: FBYOR 7 - Day 2 - Ineffable (12 / 14)
« Reply #1154 on: Today at 03:42:58 pm »

Krr1ss easiest way out is to just not use the threads if you're town.
Town crippling themselves over paranoia over a role that was submitted before alignments and is obviously NAI is just... sure ig.

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Crystalizedmire (4): Magma Mater, Jim Groovester, Krr1ss, TricMagic
Krr1ss (4): Imp, VermillionSkies, EuchreJack, Crystalizedmire
notquitethere (3): toastercultist, TricMagic, ToonyMan
VermillionSkies (3): notquitethere, notquitethere, TricMagic
Jim Groovester (1): Agentt
Magma Mater (0):
toastercultist (0):
EuchreJack (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Agentt (0):
Imp (0):

No Execution (0):

8 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (0):
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